Posted on Jun 15, 2019
If a POG, awarded with a CAB (combat action badge), were to transfer to Infantry, would the soldier be authorized to wear the CIB?
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CSM Charles Hayden
COL Victor Hagan After being a ‘Metal Sergeant’ for so long, now I am like a rock that has been rolling down a river for a long time - rounded and smooth.
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PFC Angela Van Horn
SSG (Join to see) - Careful with that sentiment, Sarn't. Us POGs are not only how you get your food and ammo, but how you get in and out of country in the first place. Do you really think you could complete the mission without those?
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No you have to be an infantryman engaged in combat with the enemy to be awarded a CIB. Said SM would wear the CAB until he engages an enemy as an infantryman
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1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR)
SSG Michael Doolittle - There has never been a "Time" requirement for the CIB award. However, U.S. Army Vietnam regulations went so far as to require documentation of the type and intensity of enemy fire encountered by the Soldier. The intended requirement to be "personally present and under fire" has not changed. Nothing about 30 day or 24 hours... The following information is from the United States Army Human Resources Command and mirrors the information in AR 600-8-22.
For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements:
(1) Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties.
(2) Assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.
(3) Actively participate in such ground combat. Campaign or battle credit alone is not sufficient for award of the CIB.
For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements:
(1) Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties.
(2) Assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.
(3) Actively participate in such ground combat. Campaign or battle credit alone is not sufficient for award of the CIB.
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Brad Miller
Not trying to sound hair splitting, but I think this is one of those fine-line distinctions.
If the soldier is [per (2)] assigned to an infantry unit, etc, and (3) actively engages in combat -- example, unit is attacked (in camp/base), but he is satisfactorily performing NON-infantry duties (assuming this is possible -- that is where the fine line comes in), would he qualify for the CIB, or not?
If the soldier is [per (2)] assigned to an infantry unit, etc, and (3) actively engages in combat -- example, unit is attacked (in camp/base), but he is satisfactorily performing NON-infantry duties (assuming this is possible -- that is where the fine line comes in), would he qualify for the CIB, or not?
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SP5 Ronald Clark
not always i have one from Vietnam i was on a military advisory team our radio operator was killed it became my job and i did it for 26 months and was awarded one when i got back to the world { never changed my MOS } some times its what you do and how long you did it i was on over 300 operations and ambushes using Cambodian Merchs
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PFC Charles Chambliss
When the CIB is given it is given to a person that has earned it,along with it is a certificate stating how it was earned.It is also listed on your DD214.
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CDR David Troutman
I like the colonel's answer. In the Navy we would say, when in doubt, read reference (a) and it will answer almost all of your questions.
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SSG William Hommel
SSG David Milholen - In my years, that was either RTM or RTFM depending how many times you were asked.
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1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR)
Col Mackey, you are absolutely Correct... We need to read the AR or check with US Army Human Resources Command before making a claim!
Just to clarify... The regulation has AWARD OF THE CIB HAS NO REQUIREMENT FOR SUSTAINED COMBAT, 30 DAYS, OR EVEN 24 HOURS...
ALSO, THE CIB IS NOT LIMITED TO 11 SERIES MOS PERSONNEL. According to AR 600-8-22, specific eligibility criteria for the CIB require that:
(1) A Soldier must be an Army infantry or SF officer (SSI 11 or 18) in the grade of COL/O–6 or below, or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or SF MOS who, subsequent to 6 December 1941, has satisfactorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger, or SF unit of either a brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat. Eligibility for SF personnel in MOSs 18B, 18C, 18E, 18F, and 18Z (less 18D–SF medical sergeant) accrues from 20 December 1989. Retroactive awards of the CIB to SF personnel are not authorized prior to 20 December 1989.
By the way, before anybody challenges the SF requirement... In the Vietnam era, the SF MOS mirrored the Infantry 11 series. During Vietnam, I had an 11F4S MOS (Special Forces Operations and Intelligence Sergeant). My CIB was awarded with that MOS.
Just to clarify... The regulation has AWARD OF THE CIB HAS NO REQUIREMENT FOR SUSTAINED COMBAT, 30 DAYS, OR EVEN 24 HOURS...
ALSO, THE CIB IS NOT LIMITED TO 11 SERIES MOS PERSONNEL. According to AR 600-8-22, specific eligibility criteria for the CIB require that:
(1) A Soldier must be an Army infantry or SF officer (SSI 11 or 18) in the grade of COL/O–6 or below, or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or SF MOS who, subsequent to 6 December 1941, has satisfactorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger, or SF unit of either a brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat. Eligibility for SF personnel in MOSs 18B, 18C, 18E, 18F, and 18Z (less 18D–SF medical sergeant) accrues from 20 December 1989. Retroactive awards of the CIB to SF personnel are not authorized prior to 20 December 1989.
By the way, before anybody challenges the SF requirement... In the Vietnam era, the SF MOS mirrored the Infantry 11 series. During Vietnam, I had an 11F4S MOS (Special Forces Operations and Intelligence Sergeant). My CIB was awarded with that MOS.
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