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The turning point of the war- at home and abroad. Victory as a defeat- odd. The more I have read about this in the past few years in leadership studies, the more I realized the press has become a true enemy of the state that hides behind the Consitution. Strange thought, but when your reporting bias is slanted to an agenda, you are not reporting the facts- but writing/reporting an opinion or Op-Ed piece. Sadly we do not teach freedom of thought in school any longer or civics for that matter and this is totally lost on those that are content to be sheep. Rant out. Morning Mark.
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MSG Frederick Otero
SMSgt Thor Merich - Capt. Marty, Victory as a defeat is not that odd when you take into effect that after reporting that South Vietnam was pretty much secured (which it was not) the North Vietnam Army struck at every major area in South Vietnam and that even though pushed back were not defeated. The realization of what the war was going to cost in American lives dawned not just on the press but on the home front. The realization that the North was more than willing the have extreme numbers of their population be killed than we were willing to accept was a hard truth. History tells us that the war was lost before TET that is clear as crystal. I am not sure what studies you have read but would Ref. Dereliction of Duty H.R. McMasters Robert McNamara's own admissions and a review of the Pentagon Papers. Military leaders presented options to the politicians that might have ended in a victory but the risk of all out war with countries that supported the north was not a risk politicians wanted. The tried trope of blaming the press for losing the war should really be put to rest. The war was lost by political mismanagement, which in turn was reported to the public who then felt it was time to end the slaughter of American service members. I submit this with all due respect to your efforts to studies the effects of a free press on our society.
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Maj Marty Hogan
MSG Frederick Otero - you are not incorrect. The portion about the press is the opinion and it swayed the public opinion. Walter Cronkite openly criticizing the war is not reporting the news in any sense or fashion. You are also correct that the polcitial aspect was why we lost. The cusp of what was defined as a victory also changed over the course of our involvement and dictated by the administration. This is not a military fail. Intelligence, administration, and I still lay bare the media as well.
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Maj Marty Hogan
PO3 Bob McCord - I can only thank you for your service my brother. I have nothing more and can't apoligize for past wrongs. It was many years before I really understood- I was little and only knew what i was told. As I have progressed through my career, the lesson learned are differnt than what I was told or understood. Just wasn't in my wheelhouse. The older I have gotten and more involved in the Legion and veteran groups, the more I have taken away. I have met a few vets throught he event we have done every year. One lived in the same neighborhood as me and was treated horribly on his return. PTSD, Agent Orange and several other non-returnable gift were brought home by him from Vietnam. I only listen and thank him for leading the way for those of us that followed- we were proud of you guys. I know that is not much and doesn't heal old wounds, but all my generation has to offer. You have my gratitude and honored to be counted among your numbers.
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