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I think the bigger question is WHY ARE WE ARMING IRS AGENTS?
Lt Col Charlie Brown LTC Trent Klug MSgt John McGowan Cpl Vic Burk Sgt (Join to see) CWO4 Terrence Clark CPL Douglas Chrysler SGT Jim Arnold MSgt James Parker LTC Stephen F. SGT Steve McFarland SGT Mark Anderson SMSgt Lawrence McCarter CMSgt (Join to see) SPC Gary C. COL Randall C. Sgt (Join to see) LTC David Brown SFC John Davis
Lt Col Charlie Brown LTC Trent Klug MSgt John McGowan Cpl Vic Burk Sgt (Join to see) CWO4 Terrence Clark CPL Douglas Chrysler SGT Jim Arnold MSgt James Parker LTC Stephen F. SGT Steve McFarland SGT Mark Anderson SMSgt Lawrence McCarter CMSgt (Join to see) SPC Gary C. COL Randall C. Sgt (Join to see) LTC David Brown SFC John Davis
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SFC John Davis Did not know they were transferred.
But even then, there is a difference between investigations and arrests. I work in Children's Social work. We have protective service workers who conduct investigations. We have *special* investigators who handle particularly sensitive (read: guaranteed to go criminal if founded) cases. Both regular CPS and SIU refer cases for criminal charges on a regular basis. You know what they don't have? A badge. A gun. Warrant authority. If they need that, they call the local PD or Sherriff's Office.
Why does it take a badge and a gun to investigate financial crimes, 99% of which, at this point, is investigated on a computer? For that 1% where you need a cop, you talk to the AUSA/FBI, provide your evidence, and pursue a warrant. Once you have that, the FBI serves it and gathers evidence OR secures the scene for you to gather evidence.
There is still no need for armed and badged IRS agents.
But even then, there is a difference between investigations and arrests. I work in Children's Social work. We have protective service workers who conduct investigations. We have *special* investigators who handle particularly sensitive (read: guaranteed to go criminal if founded) cases. Both regular CPS and SIU refer cases for criminal charges on a regular basis. You know what they don't have? A badge. A gun. Warrant authority. If they need that, they call the local PD or Sherriff's Office.
Why does it take a badge and a gun to investigate financial crimes, 99% of which, at this point, is investigated on a computer? For that 1% where you need a cop, you talk to the AUSA/FBI, provide your evidence, and pursue a warrant. Once you have that, the FBI serves it and gathers evidence OR secures the scene for you to gather evidence.
There is still no need for armed and badged IRS agents.
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LTC Trent Klug
I understand the need for armed IRS investigators. Weapons training is needed and can be dangerous if people get complacent or careless.
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1SG Michael Bonnett
I do not see a need for the IRS at all. President Lincoln signed the second revenue measure of the Civil War into law, the IRS in 1862. We got along fine without it for over a hundred years and we can again. There is NO need for any member of the IRS to have an issued gun.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
MSG Stan Hutchison - Well that is what was portrayed in the mainstream media...all mainstream media a while back as there was talk about arming IRS agents, all of them. That is my question. Also if the Secret Service, who belongs to the Treasury is a LE force then why do we need armed IRS agents?
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MSG Stan Hutchison
Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth - Different duties. If we have the US Army Infantry, why do we need the Marines?
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
MSG Stan Hutchison - Stan...not different duties...the Secret Service is the LE autority for the Departmentof the treasury which the IRS falls into...therefore no other law enforcement is needed to ensure people aren't cheating on their taxes during an "audit".
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MSG Stan Hutchison
Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth - I understand your point, but if we follow that to the logical conclusion, we would have only one law-enforcement covering the entire federal system. FBI?
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Good afternoon LTC Eugene Chu. Excellent post. Thank you for sharing this Colonel. I'm not sure why and IRS agent would be at a firing range, or armed for that much.
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