Posted on Feb 15, 2018
Why do you think there are so many school shootings now?
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Why do you think there are so many school shootings now as opposed to say 25 to 30 years ago? We all know that guns can’t shoot themselves, so obviously that is not the problem in my opinion. I honestly believe that there is a direct correlation between the rise of school shootings and the taking of God out of the classroom, and kids not getting a well deserved a** whooping. Thoughts on this?
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What has changed?
1.) The availability of guns? NOPE...I went hunting before school and my rifle was in my gun rack along with 75% of the students. No one ever thought about taking it out and wiping out the school.
2.) Availability of resources? Nope...there are more resources these days for people to be part of for coping.
3.) Communication? Absolutley. No one knows how to communicate these days unless it is over a cell phone, text, instagram, twitter etc. I ask my daughter all the time if she spoke to so and so. She says yes and then I follow up with did yo talk or did you text? The answer is text. I say that to say this...communicating electronically is easy to get people spun up. Use all caps you are screaming, use the wrong emoji and you are bullying, talk about one friend and not necessarily in a bad way and then it gets back to the other one and then hate fills the tron world. It is easy to get spun up when you aren't face to face and talk. Kids these days and most adults have lost that art.
4.) Fights? Absolutely...kids these days don't fight...they pull out a gun or knife because they were disrespected. They saw it on a video game and it worked. Reboot and came back at it the next day. We used to take out back at school. When we were done either you got your ass whooped or you did the whooping. When it was over you dusted off, got a pinch of skoal, cleaned up your wounds and went back to class or football practice and it was over.
5.) Everybody gets a trophy? Absoutely...Kids these days get whatever they want. I didn't make the baseball team one year...guess what it stung hard...I practiced all year and played summer ball to get ready for the next year and guess what, I made the team through hard work and perseverance. Kids these days make the team, get a trophy and there are no winners or losers. So when they are older and get told no it is a foreign concept to them. How dare someone tell me no...they must be destroyed.
6.) Discipline? Hell yeah...If I messed up, I got jacked up...Guess what...I didn't do it again. If my mom/dad didn't get me, my friends mom did or my grandparents did (switch or Bip Bop paddle)...we knew what was right and wrong and didn't cross that line and we had respect for our elders. Majority of Kids these days aren't disciplined. This time out crap doesn't work...My dad took time out of his schedule to whoop me...As Hattie said in Madeas Boo movie, "Whip dat ass one good time." Parents seem to be afraid of their kids...that I don't understand.
7.) Parental guidance - YUP...It goes along with what I have put above but parents these days want to negotiate with their children so they aren't the bad guy and they want to be their friends...BUMP DAT...I am not your friend...God put me in in this world to be your parent and to teach you right from wrong and to hold you accountable...not to let you get away with everything so you don't know what no means.
8.) Finally GOD--God has not changed, we have. We have taken Him out of everything so we don't offend anyone. Well I am offended by not having my right to speak of Him in public with my child.
1.) The availability of guns? NOPE...I went hunting before school and my rifle was in my gun rack along with 75% of the students. No one ever thought about taking it out and wiping out the school.
2.) Availability of resources? Nope...there are more resources these days for people to be part of for coping.
3.) Communication? Absolutley. No one knows how to communicate these days unless it is over a cell phone, text, instagram, twitter etc. I ask my daughter all the time if she spoke to so and so. She says yes and then I follow up with did yo talk or did you text? The answer is text. I say that to say this...communicating electronically is easy to get people spun up. Use all caps you are screaming, use the wrong emoji and you are bullying, talk about one friend and not necessarily in a bad way and then it gets back to the other one and then hate fills the tron world. It is easy to get spun up when you aren't face to face and talk. Kids these days and most adults have lost that art.
4.) Fights? Absolutely...kids these days don't fight...they pull out a gun or knife because they were disrespected. They saw it on a video game and it worked. Reboot and came back at it the next day. We used to take out back at school. When we were done either you got your ass whooped or you did the whooping. When it was over you dusted off, got a pinch of skoal, cleaned up your wounds and went back to class or football practice and it was over.
5.) Everybody gets a trophy? Absoutely...Kids these days get whatever they want. I didn't make the baseball team one year...guess what it stung hard...I practiced all year and played summer ball to get ready for the next year and guess what, I made the team through hard work and perseverance. Kids these days make the team, get a trophy and there are no winners or losers. So when they are older and get told no it is a foreign concept to them. How dare someone tell me no...they must be destroyed.
6.) Discipline? Hell yeah...If I messed up, I got jacked up...Guess what...I didn't do it again. If my mom/dad didn't get me, my friends mom did or my grandparents did (switch or Bip Bop paddle)...we knew what was right and wrong and didn't cross that line and we had respect for our elders. Majority of Kids these days aren't disciplined. This time out crap doesn't work...My dad took time out of his schedule to whoop me...As Hattie said in Madeas Boo movie, "Whip dat ass one good time." Parents seem to be afraid of their kids...that I don't understand.
7.) Parental guidance - YUP...It goes along with what I have put above but parents these days want to negotiate with their children so they aren't the bad guy and they want to be their friends...BUMP DAT...I am not your friend...God put me in in this world to be your parent and to teach you right from wrong and to hold you accountable...not to let you get away with everything so you don't know what no means.
8.) Finally GOD--God has not changed, we have. We have taken Him out of everything so we don't offend anyone. Well I am offended by not having my right to speak of Him in public with my child.
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HN Kathleen M Peck
Absolutely right; these days kids lack respect and social skills. Such a sad state of things.
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SPC Erik Thompson
God was NOT removed from the schools. Prayer, led by school employees was. Perhaps you don't mind that the majority thinks it is okay to require the minority to suffer through a chant at an imaginary friend, but that is probably because YOU ARE the majority and you don't find shoving your beliefs on someone else to be offensive. When I was a kid one of my friends told his mother I was an atheist. She physically accosted me at the door to my class in 4th grade. What a great Christian huh? School prayer has always been a way to coerce children to "fit in" with their religious friends. ALSO, are you telling me that kids who grow up in Christian households can't go to school for 8 hours without praying to god with ALL the other school children or they are going to shoot someone? Do Christians not kill people? Have all the school shooting been carried out by atheists , Muslims, and Hindus? Finally, kids are absolutely allowed to pray in school. They can pray silently to themselves whenever they want, and they do right before the math test. All that ever happened was that the government was taken out of performing religious services right before school.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
Yes Col, parents are afraid of their kids. Woop them and they tell the teacher or call the cops. yell at them and it is the same. They can yell at you and nothing happens, We have taken so much out of are school they have no direction. Teachers are also afraid. they just send the to the office and let them handle it. Our culture has change. Instead of sneaking a drink or a smoke, the go for pot or worse.
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SPC Jasen E.
I agree with 99% of what you said. It is devastating to watch the kids grow up today and have no concept of anything except video games, social media, or just simply doing nothing. I had a gun in the house when I grew up. I knew where it was, where the ammo was, and knew also that if I so much as looked at it cross-eyed I wouldn't have been able to sit on my blistered butt for a month. I have a deep respect of guns and teach everyone around me, not just kids, to respect them, also. That leads me to my next point--my mom was not an "I'm gonna" parent. If I was doing something I wasn't supposed to do, she tell me to stop or she would beat my butt. If I didn't stop, she wouldn't respond by saying "I'm gonna" beat your butt if you don't stop. No! She just simply did the beating. I learned young that when my mom told me to do or not to do something, that I better comply the first time. She'd try to talk you out of doing it one time and she'd smack you out of doing it the next time. Parents these days tell their children 10, 20, 30 times that they're "gonna" give them a spanking if they don't stop. The kid doesn't stop, the mother repeats that she's "gonna" give them a spanking if they don't stop. It's a bull$hit threat and the kid knows it and therefore doesn't feel compelled to obey. Just watch the next time your in public and there are misbehaving kids around.
The 1% I'm not completely on board for (I am and I'm not) is the G-d issue. It is sad that we have taken Him out of everything public except schools. We have the guarantee in the constitution of the freedom of religion (not freedom FROM religion) and that means that there are children of all faiths and creeds in our public school. It is impossible to talk about G-d in a way that encompasses all religions. You will be leaving students out of the conversation. So unless the teachers have the know-how and time to address a G-d for each faith represented, the discussion of G-d doesn't need to be in school. For me, I don't believe prayer belongs in school for the exact same reason. It is impossible to pray in a way that encompasses all faiths. That's all on paper. But off the record, I loved that our teachers said screw it and talked about religion with us when I was in school just 22 years ago. I like that our sporting events started with a prayer. That's just how I feel. On a like tone, I DO believe that the school day should be started with the Pledge of Allegiance. This is our country, we are proud of it, and if you don't like it, LEAVE!
The 1% I'm not completely on board for (I am and I'm not) is the G-d issue. It is sad that we have taken Him out of everything public except schools. We have the guarantee in the constitution of the freedom of religion (not freedom FROM religion) and that means that there are children of all faiths and creeds in our public school. It is impossible to talk about G-d in a way that encompasses all religions. You will be leaving students out of the conversation. So unless the teachers have the know-how and time to address a G-d for each faith represented, the discussion of G-d doesn't need to be in school. For me, I don't believe prayer belongs in school for the exact same reason. It is impossible to pray in a way that encompasses all faiths. That's all on paper. But off the record, I loved that our teachers said screw it and talked about religion with us when I was in school just 22 years ago. I like that our sporting events started with a prayer. That's just how I feel. On a like tone, I DO believe that the school day should be started with the Pledge of Allegiance. This is our country, we are proud of it, and if you don't like it, LEAVE!
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Because parents lead their children to believe that they can have whatever they want and don't teach them how to handle rejection. Society is all wrapped up in telling everybody how special they are...I'm with you on the parenting thing. The God in school part may or may not correlate. If it does I believe it is because, when we did allow religion/prayer in schools, that was a point in time when we also taught kids discipline and respect which is terribly lacking today.
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Sgt Anthony Leverington
Have you also noticed that every single school shooting has happened in a gun free zone?
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SPC Kelley McMahan
SGT Denny Espinosa - Respectfully Sgt, I disagree. Morals are not the exclusive realm of religion and were that ascetation true we would not have professed christians committing sexual assaults or pediphilia. Or tolerating anyone who did up to and including advocating for grabbing women by their genitalia.
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SGT Denny Espinosa
SPC Kelley McMahan I agree with you that teaching morals are NOT the EXCLUSIVE realm of religion - it simply plays a big part of religion. By "ascetation" I'm guessing you mean "assertion" and I agree 100% that people - regardless of belief - are fallible. Hence my statement: "... even when some higher authority proved to be all too fallible." So it seems that we are in agreement.
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Sgt Karen Schleif
Discipline, morality and respect are taught at home. Educating and nurturing children is the parent's responsibility; not society. However, with both parents working in many homes, and many single parents, the kids are left to raise themselves or whatever alternative there is. They are being influenced by video games and tv. How moral are those sources? Children want their parents and not necessarily all the stuff parents can buy for them. I don't particularly agree with allowing the people in school to have to authority to "whoop" the students. Any form of discipline is done in love and should therefore be the parent's role. Otherwise it's abuse. It should always be for a purpose and not out of frustration. Children should not have to be afraid of physical harm or humiliation from adults in school.
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I think there are a number of reasons. First is that there is a breakdown of the family. Fewer fathers involved with their chilldren means less leadership in the home. When you have a single parent house, there simply isn't enough time/energy to give to your children. Second, as demonstrated in Florida, ignoring minor lawbreaking only leads to greater problems. People push the envelope until someone pushes back with punishment or a way to stop them. Ignoring behavior does not lead to cessation, especially if there is a reward for the illegal behavior (like robbery, theft, etc- the reward is the item(s) or for some, the thrill of getting away with something)
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
I agree with what you have said ma'am, but I also think that when they took disciplining a child at home of school away, they really hurt things. Both my son, and grandson felt my hand on their butt, but it was one swat, done at two different times. Lesson was learned after the second swat. There was no severe beatings or use of a belt or switch.
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SGT Denny Espinosa
SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth - I agree. there is a big difference between a discipline spanking and a parent taking out their frustrations. Too many people don't or won't see a difference.
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LCpl Troy Gwyn
Ma'am, I disagree with your assessment.
I was a single father, who raised 4 kids. All 4 graduated on time and now lead their own lives.
Only once did one of my children have a weapon in school. (My youngest son had his "camp knife" in his backpack.)
When his older sister found out, she called me. I went to the school and with the principle watching, had my son snap the blade of his knife with a hammer from my toolbox.
So, it's not the single parent home. It may be a lack of discipline from the single parent.
I was a single father, who raised 4 kids. All 4 graduated on time and now lead their own lives.
Only once did one of my children have a weapon in school. (My youngest son had his "camp knife" in his backpack.)
When his older sister found out, she called me. I went to the school and with the principle watching, had my son snap the blade of his knife with a hammer from my toolbox.
So, it's not the single parent home. It may be a lack of discipline from the single parent.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
LCpl Troy Gwyn - You prove my point. You were there involved with your children. Great job! And thank you.
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