Posted on Jul 10, 2020
Trump attempts to blame Fauci for coronavirus 'mistakes' - follow live
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Donald Trump has used an interview with Fox News ally Sean Hannity to attempt to pin the blame for the resurgent coronavirus on Dr Anthony Fauci, who he said is “a nice man but he’s made a lot of mistakes”, although it was the president himself who disregarded medical advice to push for the early reopening of the states.
The US reported more than 55,000 new cases of Covid-19 for the third day in a row on Thursday, with California, Florida and Texas recording new daily death rates highs of 149, 120 and 105 respectively as Kentucky became the latest state to order its citizens to wear face masks in public.
The president has meanwhile lashed out at the Supreme Court over its ruling on Thursday that a New York state prosecutor can see his tax returns and that he is therefore not above the law, with Trump also branding his old home town a “hellhole”
The US reported more than 55,000 new cases of Covid-19 for the third day in a row on Thursday, with California, Florida and Texas recording new daily death rates highs of 149, 120 and 105 respectively as Kentucky became the latest state to order its citizens to wear face masks in public.
The president has meanwhile lashed out at the Supreme Court over its ruling on Thursday that a New York state prosecutor can see his tax returns and that he is therefore not above the law, with Trump also branding his old home town a “hellhole”
Trump attempts to blame Fauci for coronavirus 'mistakes' - follow live
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Perhaps we need a law where all senior government officials, especially members of Congress have their salaries suspended or perhaps redirected to those in more dire need when a Pandemic is declared, so that they feel just a little of what others are feeling at full force on a daily basis. This could force some to work in more creative ways on behalf of all needs forcing some to set aside the rancor of partisan politics and at the same time some stupid, if not dangerous arguments.
At some point chaos from so many people being out of work, especially in the service sector, will have a negative impact that Corona could not have anticipated, but should have. Mistakes were made on a number of fronts. One near term mistake was that bars and clubs should have been the last place to open. If you need a drink go to the store and purchase you favorite beverage and have some friends over to party. That is a risk you [1] and your friends take. Bars on the list of priorities should be the last thing to open, simply because of their very nature. Besides many an inventive person has created the mobile bar. Here are some examples:
- https://getcozybars.com/
- https://greenweddingshoes.com/the-16-cutest-mobile-bars-for-your-wedding/
- https://www.marthastewartweddings.com/374256/mobile-bars-for-cocktail-coffee-hour-at-wedding-reception
Partying without consideration for one's safety in a pandemic scenario is like rioting and hurting others who are innocent but you hurt them anyway just because your rage like your desire to cut lose does not recognize the inherent dangers. As a Corpsman is like those sailors and marines, the majority of my clients, who would say to me "We'll doc, I don't know I got this disease." I would be astounded. , especially from those more seasoned who tried to pull that line. Of course I had to treat them regardless. But, I was still astounded.
So, to get to the point both Dr. Fauci and POTUS and Congress and many state and local leaders share the good and bad of the Pandemic. The media too is a huge player in pushing narratives that are at best one-sided and don't ask, as a trained operational public health specialist, what is obvious. This obvious approach is spelled out in the FOUR attachments to this post that are the nature of any Incident Management System (IMS) / Incident Command System (ICS). That is the modes [2] of the system, which are:
- Offensive mode
- Defensive mode
- Marginal mode
Because the reality is that any response means you have think with a mindset that mitigates risk and impact on all who are or may be affected. One cannot simply stick their head in the sand, nor should leaders at any level take time to point fingers, when lives depend on making a decision at the point of need for those being served.
Finally, I expect to see the whole NIMS (National Incident Management System), our nation's disaster response process, making big changes in the next 12 - 36 months to be prepared for the next new Corona type event. If we don't change how we think and act before the next time, there may well be no one left to argue with on RP at all and the whole issue will be, at best - moot!!!
Just saying........................
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[1] Chip, by using the word "you" I am not saying "you", rather the collective "you" as in all of "us". Just want to be clear I am not attacking - you!!!
[2] These slides, the 1st four, are from my 2008 presentation in a session I provided on healthcare disaster response. I will tell you that I had a number of people come up me after the hour long presentation who had a new view of how to plan for disasters in their hospitals that was more realistic. It was the first major presentation I had given in such a setting and it was as the Georgia Emergency Management Association conference that year.
COL Mikel J. Burroughs; COL Lee Flemming; LCdr (Rabbah) Rona Matlow; Maj Robert Carson; CPT Aaron Kletzing; Maj Marty Hogan; SMSGT Gerald "Doc" Thomas; SCPO Morris Ramsey; Lt Col Charlie Brown; LTC (Join to see); Maj William W. 'Bill' Price; LTC Stephen C.; LTC Stephen F.; Capt Dwayne Conyers; CMSgt (Join to see); SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth; LTC Jason Mackay; MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi; MSgt Paul Connors (Publishing); SFC James J Palmer IV (JP4)
At some point chaos from so many people being out of work, especially in the service sector, will have a negative impact that Corona could not have anticipated, but should have. Mistakes were made on a number of fronts. One near term mistake was that bars and clubs should have been the last place to open. If you need a drink go to the store and purchase you favorite beverage and have some friends over to party. That is a risk you [1] and your friends take. Bars on the list of priorities should be the last thing to open, simply because of their very nature. Besides many an inventive person has created the mobile bar. Here are some examples:
- https://getcozybars.com/
- https://greenweddingshoes.com/the-16-cutest-mobile-bars-for-your-wedding/
- https://www.marthastewartweddings.com/374256/mobile-bars-for-cocktail-coffee-hour-at-wedding-reception
Partying without consideration for one's safety in a pandemic scenario is like rioting and hurting others who are innocent but you hurt them anyway just because your rage like your desire to cut lose does not recognize the inherent dangers. As a Corpsman is like those sailors and marines, the majority of my clients, who would say to me "We'll doc, I don't know I got this disease." I would be astounded. , especially from those more seasoned who tried to pull that line. Of course I had to treat them regardless. But, I was still astounded.
So, to get to the point both Dr. Fauci and POTUS and Congress and many state and local leaders share the good and bad of the Pandemic. The media too is a huge player in pushing narratives that are at best one-sided and don't ask, as a trained operational public health specialist, what is obvious. This obvious approach is spelled out in the FOUR attachments to this post that are the nature of any Incident Management System (IMS) / Incident Command System (ICS). That is the modes [2] of the system, which are:
- Offensive mode
- Defensive mode
- Marginal mode
Because the reality is that any response means you have think with a mindset that mitigates risk and impact on all who are or may be affected. One cannot simply stick their head in the sand, nor should leaders at any level take time to point fingers, when lives depend on making a decision at the point of need for those being served.
Finally, I expect to see the whole NIMS (National Incident Management System), our nation's disaster response process, making big changes in the next 12 - 36 months to be prepared for the next new Corona type event. If we don't change how we think and act before the next time, there may well be no one left to argue with on RP at all and the whole issue will be, at best - moot!!!
Just saying........................
Note:
[1] Chip, by using the word "you" I am not saying "you", rather the collective "you" as in all of "us". Just want to be clear I am not attacking - you!!!
[2] These slides, the 1st four, are from my 2008 presentation in a session I provided on healthcare disaster response. I will tell you that I had a number of people come up me after the hour long presentation who had a new view of how to plan for disasters in their hospitals that was more realistic. It was the first major presentation I had given in such a setting and it was as the Georgia Emergency Management Association conference that year.
COL Mikel J. Burroughs; COL Lee Flemming; LCdr (Rabbah) Rona Matlow; Maj Robert Carson; CPT Aaron Kletzing; Maj Marty Hogan; SMSGT Gerald "Doc" Thomas; SCPO Morris Ramsey; Lt Col Charlie Brown; LTC (Join to see); Maj William W. 'Bill' Price; LTC Stephen C.; LTC Stephen F.; Capt Dwayne Conyers; CMSgt (Join to see); SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth; LTC Jason Mackay; MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi; MSgt Paul Connors (Publishing); SFC James J Palmer IV (JP4)
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CPO Nate S.
Oh! I forgot to mention is what every incident requires is a "Good COP".....
Dr Fauci is faced with the point at which the four circles interface (aka overlap), but POTUS is faced with a 5th circle the who of nation, which includes economy. The response to protecting the whole of the American people not only from the disease, but from its impact the many "Monday Morning Quarterback" have not stood up to say they will do. Both Dr Fauci and POTUS are "...the men in arena...."
Dr Fauci and POTUS both know what is at stake and they both know what failure will look like if, as a nation, we don't see the bigger and more common picture. Failure to protect from disease and failure to not consider the day to day needs of > 325 million people of all persuasions is - NOT AN OPTION!!!
For those who think either is easy - think again!!!
Dr Fauci is faced with the point at which the four circles interface (aka overlap), but POTUS is faced with a 5th circle the who of nation, which includes economy. The response to protecting the whole of the American people not only from the disease, but from its impact the many "Monday Morning Quarterback" have not stood up to say they will do. Both Dr Fauci and POTUS are "...the men in arena...."
Dr Fauci and POTUS both know what is at stake and they both know what failure will look like if, as a nation, we don't see the bigger and more common picture. Failure to protect from disease and failure to not consider the day to day needs of > 325 million people of all persuasions is - NOT AN OPTION!!!
For those who think either is easy - think again!!!
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MAJ Ken Landgren
Perhaps we should also have a president and administration who can plan and prepare for a pandemic properly.
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CPO Nate S.
MAJ Ken Landgren - WADR, administrations back to the 1919 Flu Pandemic have not been prepared. If you are going to focus on one please know about all.
My military background is in operational preventive medicine and in my post military life I was was the Disaster Mgmt Coordinator for the University of North Carolina 2003-2006.
We managed one of the 9 SARS cases in the USA and other potential Class 1 disease potentials during my time. Preparedness has many moving parts and in the immediate post 9-11 world I was in at the time we were hyper-focused on preparedness and response as we were in various working groups thinking about diseases like weaponized plague or smallpox. Still threats today.
I could speak to you of the SNS, NIMS, ICS, etc. as it applies to various issues of national, state and local preparedness. If you have not had to plan for mass community level decon, be prepared to issue mass prophylaxis for a biological pandemic or prepare a hospitals of 5,000 staff to respond to a dirty bomb and don't realize the complexity of that for a county or group of tangential counties, then you have no idea the behind the scenes that takes place with our current disease surveillance processes that underwent a MAJOR overall as a result of the anthrax attacks. The POTUS then was no more prepared in light of Congressional pork barrel projects that undercut real preparedness just as such Congressional ineptness does today.
Just saying.................
My military background is in operational preventive medicine and in my post military life I was was the Disaster Mgmt Coordinator for the University of North Carolina 2003-2006.
We managed one of the 9 SARS cases in the USA and other potential Class 1 disease potentials during my time. Preparedness has many moving parts and in the immediate post 9-11 world I was in at the time we were hyper-focused on preparedness and response as we were in various working groups thinking about diseases like weaponized plague or smallpox. Still threats today.
I could speak to you of the SNS, NIMS, ICS, etc. as it applies to various issues of national, state and local preparedness. If you have not had to plan for mass community level decon, be prepared to issue mass prophylaxis for a biological pandemic or prepare a hospitals of 5,000 staff to respond to a dirty bomb and don't realize the complexity of that for a county or group of tangential counties, then you have no idea the behind the scenes that takes place with our current disease surveillance processes that underwent a MAJOR overall as a result of the anthrax attacks. The POTUS then was no more prepared in light of Congressional pork barrel projects that undercut real preparedness just as such Congressional ineptness does today.
Just saying.................
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MAJ Ken Landgren
CPO Nate S. - That is BS. There is the NRF and the Pandemic Annex they never used. What is the excuse? Lack of intelligence, institutional knoweldege, bad leadership? There was a plan, but they never used it. Face it, Trump and his admin effed it up. On 13FEB there were a few COVID-19 cases. On 13MAR Trump declared National Emergency as the number of cases hit 2,000. For more than a month Trump emitted pink unicorn farts and proclaimed the country would be safe. He wasted more than a month. He wanted to play politics with the pandemic. By 13MAR the pandemic was out of control and Trump and his administration were on the ropes because they had no clue what they were doing.
To make things worse, the man (Director of DHS) who is supposed to lead all federal and interagency entities in planning for the pandemic was an immigration attorney who had no experience. What did Trump do? He appointed Pence and Kushner as TF leaders. Did they have any experience? No!
What is the result? We missed out on the early threat assessment, pre-positioned supplies were not ordered in time, planning was wrecked, execution was chaotic, and sustainment is quite suspect. This is on Trump, the Admin, and the GOP.
To make things worse, the man (Director of DHS) who is supposed to lead all federal and interagency entities in planning for the pandemic was an immigration attorney who had no experience. What did Trump do? He appointed Pence and Kushner as TF leaders. Did they have any experience? No!
What is the result? We missed out on the early threat assessment, pre-positioned supplies were not ordered in time, planning was wrecked, execution was chaotic, and sustainment is quite suspect. This is on Trump, the Admin, and the GOP.
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Tell Trump "The buck stops here". He is the one making most of the mistakes and passing the blame.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
Trumpers' mantra is they never knew. WHO and China lied. Trump stopped flights but there were calls of racism. Nobody could prepare for this. The impeachment interfered with the process. It was a democratic hoax. Blah blah blah. Great presidents are born rise up to great occasions and events, but Trump failed to do that.
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