Posted on Feb 5, 2017
Retired CW5 to Army leaders: Getting bigger is a mistake!
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Of course CWO5 Edgar would notice a deficiency in current Army marksmanship and PT. He cut his baby teeth on both marksmanship and PT as an enlisted Marine on the way to Vietnam (judging by his ribbons).
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MSgt George Cater
Sincere question here, which Army practices would you suggest for the USMC?
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Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest LTC Trent Klug CSM William DeWolf
1stSgt Eugene Harless SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc"
Thomas 1stSgt Ron Gallegos SFC George Smith
GySgt Melissa Gravila SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs Col Dona Marie Iversen COL Charles Williams Lt Col Jim Coe LTC John Shaw Col (Join to see)
Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest LTC Trent Klug CSM William DeWolf
1stSgt Eugene Harless SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc"
Thomas 1stSgt Ron Gallegos SFC George Smith
GySgt Melissa Gravila SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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MSgt George Cater - This CW5's one example; the Warrant Officer flight program. I frankly think all the other services would be wise to adopt that. The USMC also has a tendency to impede training with some silly rules. For instance, I've seen Raiders having to bring an ammunition technician to a site because they weren't allowed to merely sign for ammo. Whereas in the Army you don't need someone with a special MOS to merely sign for ammo. It may have changed, but I've also seen recon guys having to borrow our sniper weapons system because they weren't allowed to familiarize themselves with the USMC's as they hadn't been to school yet. I also have friends who are Raider selection cadre who may not grade the swim test because they're not MCWSI. But thy are combat divers, which I guess isn't sufficient. So I have seen some self imposed hurdles to training unique to the Corps. The Corps also does a fantastic job recruiting. But is horrible at retention. Very few Marines want to remain in the Corps. It's got a lot going for it. But it ain't perfect.
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MSgt George Cater - Addendum, I really don't like the way the Corps manages SGM's in that you could easily get a logistics CSM in an Infantry battalion and vice versa. That's unheard of in the Army. I'm shocked by the number of SGM's in MARSOC who have no applicable experience in the skill sets being developed.
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MSgt George Cater
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Really sad to hear of such BS. It wasn't so when I was in. Never had anyone sign for ammo except the NCO/officer in charge on site. The rest you cite is crap, too. About the SgtMaj's though, as you may know, the Corps selects E-8/9 to either stay in MOS (MSgt/MGySgt) or go 1stSgt/SgtMaj, the later being the CO advisor thing based on past leadership (& preference). Normally, it makes no difference as a rifle company 1stSgt handles mostly admin while the Co Gunnery Sergeant (Inf) does the field stuff. Basically it didn't require tech expertise in the unit mission. Literally everyone else in the unit is a tech expert at the mission field. There ARE exceptions. If you are going to be a 1stSgt/SgtMaj in either Recruit Training Regiment you MUST have a successful tour as a DI on your past. I'm amazed that there isn't a similar requirement for MARSOC. But I don't run HQMC.
Really sad to hear of such BS. It wasn't so when I was in. Never had anyone sign for ammo except the NCO/officer in charge on site. The rest you cite is crap, too. About the SgtMaj's though, as you may know, the Corps selects E-8/9 to either stay in MOS (MSgt/MGySgt) or go 1stSgt/SgtMaj, the later being the CO advisor thing based on past leadership (& preference). Normally, it makes no difference as a rifle company 1stSgt handles mostly admin while the Co Gunnery Sergeant (Inf) does the field stuff. Basically it didn't require tech expertise in the unit mission. Literally everyone else in the unit is a tech expert at the mission field. There ARE exceptions. If you are going to be a 1stSgt/SgtMaj in either Recruit Training Regiment you MUST have a successful tour as a DI on your past. I'm amazed that there isn't a similar requirement for MARSOC. But I don't run HQMC.
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as Much as we beed to Be beefing up of the military the Politically correct factors in Dc and the Fast tract commanders in the training commands are worried about Numbers and Not the Quality in those Numbers...
we started seeing the Non-since starting in the early 90's when the Trainees were allowed to Card the DI/Ds in both Basic and AIt ... the Trainees were given cards Yellow cards to give to a Drill Sgt. ot Instructor because the Individual was feeling too stressed out or felt he or she was being unfairly singled out or "picked ON"... they Instructors and Drill Sgt.'s were actually administratively corrected for Receiving too many cards in a day or week...
Many of the Rangers and SF guys were sent back to The Bn/Groups because they were Overly hard on the Troops in basic and AIT...
Thus we were and are still getting Buttercups and Snowflakes who think Reality is Little more than Playing Call of duty and hitting the Reset button when they screwup...
we started seeing the Non-since starting in the early 90's when the Trainees were allowed to Card the DI/Ds in both Basic and AIt ... the Trainees were given cards Yellow cards to give to a Drill Sgt. ot Instructor because the Individual was feeling too stressed out or felt he or she was being unfairly singled out or "picked ON"... they Instructors and Drill Sgt.'s were actually administratively corrected for Receiving too many cards in a day or week...
Many of the Rangers and SF guys were sent back to The Bn/Groups because they were Overly hard on the Troops in basic and AIT...
Thus we were and are still getting Buttercups and Snowflakes who think Reality is Little more than Playing Call of duty and hitting the Reset button when they screwup...
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GySgt Melissa Gravila
The sad part is that there is no card that can be given to the enemy, much less a "do over". Maybe if we toughened the recruits up before they went into the combat situation, they would be better equipped to deal with the mental stresses- and maybe, just maybe we might not have the suicide epidemic that we are facing today?
Just a thought
Just a thought
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I don't agree with every point of his solution, necessarily; but his assessment of the problem is spot on. We have a risk averse environment that makes proper training extremely difficult. For an example, the old timers from my Army National Guard company talk about going out in the county forest to do training. There's an abandoned bridge north of town that got used for demolition training. All inert of course. They did river recon practice by having guys bring in canoes instead of using zodiacs, but actually did get to do a river recon. By the time I got in all that was verboten, but we had access to all the highest quality training sites at Ft. McCoy. However, those have to be carefully planned for, sometimes years in advance. It's not just the "big Army's" fault either. It also rests on the shoulders of unit leadership that doesn't realize the importance of giving their troops realistic training. I can't count the times we've had some good training planned and then at the last minute had some part of it fall through. One expletive that comes to mind that I was particularly salty about was 300m or so of triple strand. The brigade wanted us to set up triple strand concertina around their TOC. No big deal, that's what engineers are for. We've got a love/hate relationship with Tina. However, whoever was responsible for ordering BOM, didn't order barbed wire. They also didn't order enough tina. Or enough pickets. When we began putting in the wire somebody told us it was too hot to do it in kit. So we downgraded to k pots and c wire gloves. But, every step, I'm explaining to the troops, "you wouldn't stretch the wire like this in real life," "these pickets are too far apart," etc., etc. In short we got robbed of all training value. I hate putting in c wire, but if you're going to make me do it, at least let it be meaningful! That's just one example of untold experiences.
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