Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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Sp$ Byron Skinner. Don't know nottin' about officers promotions. Seems to like in the day a 2LT. gets killed or would that keeps him from returning to duty so other 2lt. would come a long and become a 1st. Lt. and take over the Platoon. XO's didn't get killed or wounded much. Troop Commanders had to do six months then to HQ and an 04 rank, the vacated 03 slot would be filled by an 02 with a couple of years in. After that I don't know what happened to them.
For enlisted an E-3 upon arrival in Vietnam could expect if he was half decent be an E-6 which got reduced to E-5 when he got back into the world. Seems like, as usual, the EM gets the short end of the promotion stick.
For enlisted an E-3 upon arrival in Vietnam could expect if he was half decent be an E-6 which got reduced to E-5 when he got back into the world. Seems like, as usual, the EM gets the short end of the promotion stick.
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MAJ (Join to see)
It is definitely not like that anymore... I have 44 months Time in Grade as a 1LT...
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Well, the AC Officer Promotion list was just released...so people are getting promoted, just not us.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Haha I would be much more sympathetic to that being the cause of our delay, vs what I expect the real cause is: a knee-jerk reaction hastily implemented, and poorly executed.
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CW3 (Join to see)
Sadly, I see on this forum scrolls that are after U06-17, but with screen shots showing them at SECDEF, whereas U06-17 is still here at the same spot. The indolent, ineffective, and immoral NGB cannot even update the tracker. It sickens and angers me to no end that these same people still receive their promotions and pay for performance. For what? Really, FOR WHAT?! If the NGB was managed like a private company, there would be a ton of terminations. Worthless, simply worthless!
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CW3 (Join to see)
CW3 (Join to see) - I think we should all be hitting up our congressmen at this point. Especially those on U06-17, D08-17, and P08-17... Over 300 days is absolutely ludicrous.
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CW3 (Join to see)
I would go as far as saying that such negligence warrants some manner of accountability, if not judicial punishment. However, all of us know that will never happen. For some reason the folks at NGB are made of Teflon and in a protected status. Why?
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D08-17 has broken the 300 day mark, and along with the current government shutdown, I'm now interested to see how many more days these scrolls will gain.
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CW3 (Join to see)
CW3 (Join to see) - U06-17 is clearly the longest processing scroll right now; however, I am willing to bet D08-17 has been at OSD longer than any other scroll in recent years (if not ever).
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CW3 (Join to see)
CW3 (Join to see) - U06-17 was signed (as were a few others); however D08-17 apparently was not. Good times.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CW3 (Join to see) - I think D08-17 will beat U06-17. They just found out they are only at DMPM while sitting at 310 days on scroll! Apparently the tracker was incorrect. Last I heard P08-17 was at OSD, but who knows for sure now.
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Well, at least they have an excuse for a while on why our packets are not moving forward. Maybe for the last year they've been conducting an orderly shutdown to prepare for this? About another year to start back up and we'll see things start moving again. Doesn't affect me nearly to the same level as everyone else...
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How can we expect this inept Congress to have the ability to fix an equally if not more inept NGB? Writing a letter to a member of Congress is no different than writing a letter to a convicted and improsoned felon, although the latter would pen a reply more readily than the former.
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CW3 (Join to see)
And to think, during the shutdown, or any shutdown for that matter, Congress still gets paid. At the same time, however, their aides do not get paid, and they are the ones doing all of the work. This scenario reminds me of the old MASH episodes with Radar O'Reilly and COL Henry Blake, except in this instance Radar is like a Congressional Aide and COL Blake is the Congressman. Radar (aide) would then present to COL Blake (Congressman) a huge stack of forms, with COL Blake asking, "What am I signing?". Radar replies, "You are signing this form to acknowledge your are signing the other forms, but those forms do not need a signature because this other form says so, but you need to sign this form that gives me permission to present these forms to you, which you do and do not have to sign....sir."
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I've seen a few comments that folks have found updates through the grapevine (NOT the FEDREC tracker) that U06-17 & P08-17 may have had some movement. Congrats to you all- some motion is better than none. Anyone have any back channel info on P09-17?
Side note- it's been 5 months since P07-17 published...
Side note- it's been 5 months since P07-17 published...
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MAJ (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - What did you hear about P08-17? I haven't heard squat about it in over a month.
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I know my last promotion took well over a year. I was floored at the pace it moved at. It reminded me of the old catsup commercial, and the guy running down stairs to catch it on his bun. Only slower, much, much slower. In the days of computer technology, we have discovered a way to move slower than ever before. How is that possible?
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Update on U11-17. I just spoke with NGB. The scroll is actually at OT Jag and the tracker is accurate. What that means is a little ambiguous though. The label of OT Jag includes CID and about 5 other departments. I was told that if there is an officer on the scroll the entire scroll gets put on hold and sent to an officer review board, that board has to convene and decide if they are going to leave that person on the scroll or pull them and send the scroll on without them. Being that this scroll has been at OT Jag for over 123 days now, I'm guessing this is the case. So I think our best bet at this point is to try to find out who is holding up the scroll and take care of the problem ourselves. If no one is on board with that, I guess we continue to wait at OT Jag.
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CW3 (Join to see) - Funny as you should say that, I just got an email back stating my case was with NGB Legal Affairs. It wouldn't have to be like this if the system wasn't so completely messed up, and there was accountability down the line!
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CW3 (Join to see)
CW3 (Join to see) - I wonder if the folks at NGB are drawing straws, followed by rock, paper, scissors to select who's going to answer for this on Capitol Hill. Or, they may very choose the water delivery guy and say, "Hey, do you want an unescorted visit to Capitol Hill? Here, since you are going, take these...ahem..files with you."
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D08-17 is now sitting at 290 days....Let's see if we will also hit the 300 day mark.
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CW3 (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) - No, I stopped calling long ago myself. When I was going through my initial FEDREC for appointment they seemed annoyed the few times I called. Now from what I am seeing here they don't want anyone calling anymore (although some people do seem to occasionally get through and get answers somehow).
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CW3 (Join to see) - P07-17 published in August....I am P08-17, no FEDREC.... has any warrant scrolls published since August? I haven't heard of anything publishing since then.
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What does it means when your Army scroll been submitted for direct commission but, hasn't been approved yet?
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MAJ (Join to see)
If you're direct-commissioning, shouldn't you have a board to go to? That's how it was for me when I direct commissioned 3 years ago. I met with a board of 04/05s, with the President of the Board being an 06. At the end of the board they approve you, and I was sworn in with a DOR of that day. This was for the Guard.
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It's a little bit different in the reserves and for the AMEDD branch. Your board is done at HRC not at the unit level. Your whole packet is determine by HRC if you are a go or no go. Once the board is done the recruiter will let you know what the discussion is. Then if you are selected then you will wait for your DA 71 to come down .
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MAJ (Join to see)
2LT (Join to see) - Nice, welcome to the AMEDD and congrats on being eligible for Direct Commission, that's awesome. If HRC is the approval authority, your packet *should* process significantly quicker than ours. Apparently back in the day, Guard Bureau was the approval authority, and most packets were done within 90 days. In Jan 2015, the Sec Army decided that all Guard Officer promotions would be approved by the Sec Def, and there are like 14 offices or some malarkey like that. That is why I submitted my promotion packet a year ago (Jan 2017,) and it is still "processing."
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