Posted on Nov 16, 2015
LTC Ed Ross
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"The only US president that has done more damage to US national security than President Obama was Jefferson Davis."
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LTC Kevin B.
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I'd have to agree with MAJ Bryan Zeski and SFC Joseph Weber and say that George W. Bush has done the most damage. He started off great with going after Al Qaeda and the Taliban soon after the 9/11 attacks. However, his big mistake was when we diverted us into a completely unrelated war in Iraq, shifting our eyes off the real threat in Afghanistan, and therefore creating the power vacuum in the Middle East. Plus, how he handled the aftermath of that invasion directly led to the expansion of that terrorist threat across the region, and we're still dealing with that threat to this very day (and may be dealing with it for generations).
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Ok, Bush followed US Policy toward Iraq which called for regime-change. The US Congress is the only branch that can authorize war. What facts am I incorrect about? I'm not saying that decapitating Saddam (literally) was the best choice simply stating that as members of the Armed Forces, we swore to follow the orders of the President.
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LTC Kevin B.
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COL (Join to see) - You must be confusing who is asserting what. I didn't say that you were incorrect; you said that I was incorrect. Nothing that I wrote was "factually incorrect".

Bush did follow US policy, but the President set that policy. So, he was just following his own lead. And, Congress did authorize war, but they did so through a joint resolution that was primarily supported by the now debunked assertion that Saddam Hussein was developing nuclear weapons (which subsequently morphed into a broader "WMD" argument when no evidence of nuclear weapons was found). Finally, nobody said that the military should have disobeyed the CinC. I simply wrote that, in my opinion, George W. Bush is the President who has done the most damage to US foreign policy.
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Ok...
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SGT Arthur Tompkins
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Careful how we judge. We are humans and are prone to make mistakes. To pass judgement is to collect all the facts first. Then evaluations of those facts must be done with caution. Because once you've past judgement, retraction isn't as easy. Respectfully
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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How is GW Bush not the obvious answer here? He intentionally started a war which has very clearly led to the existence of the most hostile and overt enemies we face today.
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Dude, the President doesn't have the power to declare war. If you want to lay blame, how about putting on the US Congress for following though on the national strategy of regime change in Iraq as espoused and signed into law by Bill Clinton.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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Given the new contender in the race since this was originally posted, I'd probably change my answer.

However, the you are right, the President doesn't have the power to "declare" war. Congress does. In regards to Iraq, I blame Bush for driving us that conflict and Congress for failing to stop him.
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PO1 Brian Carlson
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I recall US Special Warfare members coming ashore as news reporters shined bright lights on them and filmed their entry into Somalia. This was during the Clinton administration. I have a problem with people blaming GW Bush for being a danger to National Security. The whole country was angry and and ready to go to war after 9/11. Congress voted for the war. The people and the government all were hyped up and public opinion was to retaliate. It was not until general public opinion got tired of the war that Congress done an about face and claimed that GW Bush tricked them into going to war. If GW Bush was powerful enough to fool Congress into starting a war, he was much more powerful and wise than people give him credit for.
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Which American President has done the most damage to US national security?
MCPO Steve Spence
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If the current president and Hilary are given enough time they would give away the White House.
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LTC Stephen F.
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President Woodrow Wilson and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) allowed significant damage to American interests and many USA citizens were killed before those Presidents allowed single acts against this nation to bring us into WWI and WWII respectively LTC Ed Ross.
I do think that POTUS Obama has probably done more to undermine our standing in the world and he has risked our national security in many ways. The fault lies with those citizens who voted for him both times. He told us what his priorities were and he has done his best to live up to them.
[Edit 4/13/2016] I was just told that my response was inane. Since this was posted in American History I tried to draw on history in my response. Was my response inane? COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC (Join to see) SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SGT John " Mac " McConnell SP5 Mark Kuzinski SrA Christopher Wright SSgt Robert Marx SSgt (Join to see)
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SGT Paul von Nahme
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SFC Charles Temm - No, it's really not, given the scope of the question. It's an infantile,anti-intellectual, "hater" kind of answer. But, also one I would expect from people that have been insulated from the rest of the world as career military. It's pretty common. The military becomes a bias-filled echo chamber of GOP/fake patriotism talking points. It's nothing new.
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SGT Paul von Nahme
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And By the way LTC I genuinely think the initial part of your answer was just a pseudo-intellectual guise at what you really wanted to say in the second part. THAT was what I was referring to as "inane".
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LTC Stephen F.
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SGT Paul von Nahme - the only reason I waded into this discussion was that American History was tagged. I am much more interested in the depth and breadth of American History than I am in who is serving as the current POTUS. That is why I listed Woodrow Wilson and FDR first. Much of what happened in their administrations has been declassified and can be both researched and talked about. We don't have that luxury about POTUS JFK on yet.
I have also been studying military, American, and world history since about 1962 and been following international relations since the 1970s.
FYI - I served under many Presidents. I have been disabled veteran only one so far.
I began serving when Gerald Ford was POTUS and served in uniform until the second term of POTUS G.W. Bush. SFC Charles Temm
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SFC Charles Temm
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SGT Paul von Nahme - "The military becomes a bias-filled echo chamber of GOP/fake patriotism talking points. It's nothing new."

Interesting coming from someone who faithfully regurgitates the Party of the State's mantra right down to the adjectives. Even more so as you made your comments on every response to the question that didn't agree with yours.

Moreover, you also insult the intelligence of anyone who dares disagree with you. That fits in quite clearly w/the average Dem response to any sort of intellectual disagreement. The only patterned retort you DID not use was the racist charge but admittedly, even for a good Dem that would have been a stretch too far.

Since we don't have a draft, folks who join the service tend to think along certain social lines. This doers tend to frighten certain groups of Americans that don't think that way of course. Self selection being the key point here, rather than fake patriotism or some sort of GOP programming you might want to think on that as maybe a reason for certain views to be more common than others. Of course given your mind set, it's probably a helluva lot easier to believe it's some right wing plot like any good prog is told to.
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SFC Joseph Weber
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I'd say George W. Bush did the most damage. President Obama has made a lot of mistakes but the damage was done.
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SFC Charles Temm
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I would say that Buchanan is in the running for that title. Wilson also has a shot at it.

Not to nitpick but Davis was not a US president but that of the seceding southern states only.
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SSG Carlos Madden
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Looking at the entire list I'd have to say President Buchanan.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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Obama. Jeff Davis doesn't count because he was not a U.S. president.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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MSgt John McGowan, it always amazed me that we were to be trusted with weapons in the war zone, but not at home. What is THAT all about?
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SGT Paul von Nahme
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That is the most inane response possible to this question. Completely ignoring the fact that a draft dodger/deserter led us into an unwinnable war over a known lie for the purpose of enriching his family and his cronies, while getting over 4400 of our brothers and sisters at arms killed, and more than 100,000 permanently disabled. All this for nothing more than war profiteering and ultimately destabilizing the Mideast and western Asia with what we have today. For an obviously educated man, you are incredibly, willfully obtuse.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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SGT Paul von Nahme, I'll take that as an undecided.
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SGT Paul von Nahme
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Capt Seid Waddell - Not terribly concerned how an Officer"PFC" really takes it.
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LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU®
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I think Obama definitely could have done more and as a result others like Russia moved in as a hegemonic power. I think regardless of the politician or political party, it is clear that we as the U.S. has to make sure that we remain strong in our national security and there is no letting up
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