Posted on May 24, 2014
Do you believe the Bill of Rights is outdated and should be either dropped in its entirety or at least rewritten?
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My Goddaughter seems to be very representative of many people in her generation in believing that the Second Amendment is totally outdated and needs to be eliminated. As with many on the left, she feels that no individual has any need for a handgun.
Additionally, do we really need the First Amendment since one of its previsions deals with religion and seems to discriminate against atheists and agnostics?
So, how many down votes will I get for even posting a controversial question like this?
Additionally, do we really need the First Amendment since one of its previsions deals with religion and seems to discriminate against atheists and agnostics?
So, how many down votes will I get for even posting a controversial question like this?
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MCPO do we really want the flakes in DC changing anything to do with the bill of rights?
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CMDCM Gene Treants
Usually, not always, the changes to the Constitution start as a result of a popular proposal from the people. Only then do politicians pick it up and claim to be behind the new Amendment.
However, it may be time for a entirely new slate of politicians in DC, but that is probably another thread!
However, it may be time for a entirely new slate of politicians in DC, but that is probably another thread!
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
the only thing I really want the flakes (nice touch) in DC changing is their seats - preferably vacating them
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It's great to talk about giving up specific rights, up until the point when you need that right. The protections of religion were written only to prevent the government from establishing a specific religion. Christianity in of itself is a philosophy not a religion until you adopt a specific religious sect and belief system like being Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, Baptist, etc.
MCPO I can't vote you down for this post simply because that's the great thing about the First Amendment you have a right to voice an opinion even an unpopular or incorrect one without reprisal from the federal government.
Without knowing more about your Goddaughter, I can't say much about her only wonder about her life experiences, and wonder about her age and just how much she has experienced. The second amendment is one of those things that it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.
MCPO I can't vote you down for this post simply because that's the great thing about the First Amendment you have a right to voice an opinion even an unpopular or incorrect one without reprisal from the federal government.
Without knowing more about your Goddaughter, I can't say much about her only wonder about her life experiences, and wonder about her age and just how much she has experienced. The second amendment is one of those things that it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
Fully agree Corporal Fernandez. All of us have the right to voice our opinions as well as our belief system. The 1st gives us that right and you avoided the trap I set at the beginning. Well done!
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Cpl Ray Fernandez
I figure you can do more good to listen and discuss with those you don't agree with. A lot of times you may learn something and even teach them why they may need to rethink their beliefs.
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MCPO Treants. I think your Goddaughter represents a segment of her generation, but I think it is stretching things to say many. My daughter and many of her friends believe in the constitution and the rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. I too am a college student and have had many conversations in my government, philosophy, English, etc. classes. While there are some that think the Bill of rights need to be "Updated" it by no means represents the majority, or many.
Before making this post I reread the first amendment. No where does it suggest discrimination against Atheists or Agnostics. In fact the first amendment guarantees there right to believe as they want just as it does one who professes a deity.
Before making this post I reread the first amendment. No where does it suggest discrimination against Atheists or Agnostics. In fact the first amendment guarantees there right to believe as they want just as it does one who professes a deity.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
Lance Corporal Wininger, I agree that there are also many kids who study and understand the Bill of Rights. I also reread the 1st Amendment prior to starting this thread and do not understand the argument at all. As far as I can see its intent then and now is to keep the government from establishing a State Religion (ie. Church of England as opposed to The Catholic Church). As a side effect it also protects all of us from undue influence from ANY religion and the right to have none.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
I agree with you Master Chief. However, it is the undue influence that seems to be in question, especially by those far left of center.
How does one define undo influence? This seems to be the point where the debate gets heated.
How does one define undo influence? This seems to be the point where the debate gets heated.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
As did I. I never did understand having to take the oath at every reenlistment. Does the oath expire after a certain amount of time? I do not think so, and I still feel the need to do so! I amy expire at some time, but my oath never will.
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This younger generation has to realize that to do without these amendments will do away with certain rights that our founding fathers wanted we, as citizens, to have.
To do away with First Amendment will mean that you can fear persecution from your government for practicing whatever religion you choose to practice.
The Second was put in so that we could protect ourselves from a tyrannical regime, but you have to understand why it was put in, the time period, what was going on, etc.
This generation has given more of people's rights away to the government than any other generation in history. Because they then expect the government everything that they think they are entitled to.
Keep the Bill of Rights as is for future generations so that they can do something about what the current generation sows.
To do away with First Amendment will mean that you can fear persecution from your government for practicing whatever religion you choose to practice.
The Second was put in so that we could protect ourselves from a tyrannical regime, but you have to understand why it was put in, the time period, what was going on, etc.
This generation has given more of people's rights away to the government than any other generation in history. Because they then expect the government everything that they think they are entitled to.
Keep the Bill of Rights as is for future generations so that they can do something about what the current generation sows.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
I once read a book in which the leader of the people had to recite ALL of the laws once a year. Can you imagine ANY of our leaders being able to do that - or even Pelosi reciting Obama Care?
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The reason for the Bill of Rights was to unite the country. If someone wants to see one or all of them eliminated because they claim they are outdated, have rocks in their heads. Everything that we are encountering now, with our government, is exactly what our founders fought against before the Constitution ever was thought of. Today's youth need to learn this, and realize that the these 1st ten amendments to the constitution are necessary to keep us united.
Also, I think the Constitution and the 10 amendments should be read and studied along with taking a test to make sure they understand the meaning and what each one protects and stands for in this great country of ours.
Also, I think the Constitution and the 10 amendments should be read and studied along with taking a test to make sure they understand the meaning and what each one protects and stands for in this great country of ours.
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GySgt William Hardy
Never be afraid to watch or read anything from the opposition. It keeps you in tune with the tactics they use. I have a complete distain for Hanoi Hannah and generally boycott anything she does; however, It didn't cost me a dime to see here degrade Mrs. Bush and just added to the fuel that she hates this country or she is one stupid woman. If you watch the movie. you can see it is flat out racists and anti-conservative.
I have read up on communism, socialism, and Islam and it never swayed my beliefs. What it did was arm me with "their own facts" which I can use to counter their arguments.
I have read up on communism, socialism, and Islam and it never swayed my beliefs. What it did was arm me with "their own facts" which I can use to counter their arguments.
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SSG William Patton
TSgt Hurley, Some school districts, many of them under the philosophy of Common Core are teaching the Constitution and bill of Rights, but they are changing the wording. The Second Amendment has been changed to the effect that we have the right to keep and bear arms where allowed and where there is a need. I do not recall the exact words, but that is the jest of it. When the government changes the words to the document that created this great nation, and our children learn it that way, what chance do future generations have? I have talked with my grandchildren about Common Core and told them to answer the questions as taught for testing purposes, but then I have told them what it actually says and means. We have to take an active role in teaching our children what these documents that have established this great nation actually mean and counter the propaganda this leftist government is espousing.
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TSgt Scott Hurley
SSG Patton, You are right about that. The reason for changing wording is because of the PC police. They think that the words are outdated or are no longer acceptable, so changing the words will make it better and will slant it towards their views. I for one will always view it with the words of the era and it still means the same today as then. No changes to words. History is the one place, and documents from the past, that the PC police need to stay away from. Just changing one word can change the view on history.
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SSG (Join to see)
GySgt Hardy, I can agree with that. I definitely will not spend my good hard earned money on garbage but if I can borrow it from someone then I'll watch it. That's how I've been able to watch most of Michael Moore's falsehoods.
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Just as a refresher and to keep people from having to look them up:
Bill of Rights Transcript Text
Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
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We can say, leave it the way it is as far as not taking anything away from what is already written. But we may need to add, or remove extensions to it as time evolves.
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The Bill of Rights is our only safeguard against our own government. They already trample the Second amendment all to hell with the regulations on firearms. The our privacy is regularly infringed by NSA spying. Our freedom of speech is gagged by "political correction". Illegal search and seizure? Just how many times has a case been thrown out of court because the evidence was illegally obtained.
I can only imagine how bad it would be without our "protected rights".
I can only imagine how bad it would be without our "protected rights".
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My counter-argument to people against the Second Amendment is very simple. They say things like "it was never meant to cover weapons other than long rifles (though they often mistakenly say musket rifles, which weren't invented until the 19th century) ."
My counter-argument? "The First Amendment, specifically Freedom of Speech/Press only applies to the spoken and written (using quill and parchment) word. It shouldn't apply to television and the Internet."
They try to come back with "Well that's different. That's progress." To which I say "How is advancements in firearm technology not progress???"
My counter-argument? "The First Amendment, specifically Freedom of Speech/Press only applies to the spoken and written (using quill and parchment) word. It shouldn't apply to television and the Internet."
They try to come back with "Well that's different. That's progress." To which I say "How is advancements in firearm technology not progress???"
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CMDCM Gene Treants
Good point PO1 John Miller. Of course some people do not recognize any progress as good in any way.
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GySgt William Hardy
I thought the purpose of the Second Amendment was clear. It was to give us the means and the right to put an out-of-control government straight and that is done by force. That means a military type action right? Can't do that with BB guns. Yes, there should be restrictions because I do not want my next door neighbor to have so much ammo that when his house burns down that half of the neighborhood goes down with it. But in my opinion we have the right to own whatever weapons we want up to a reasonable point. So far the anti-gun people have not been reasonable.
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PO1 John Miller
Gunny Hardy, I can't say that I exactly agree with you. I might be a bit of what you would call an "Ammo hoarder", lol.
I am also of the opinion that responsible, legal gun owners should have no restrictions on what type of firearms they can own, to include fully automatic rifles and handguns. I for one would LOVE to get my hands on a Glock 18! The reason I want to own full-auto? Just for the sake of it, nothing else. In fact I wrote a paper about this for a writing class I once took. I got an A on that paper!
I am also of the opinion that responsible, legal gun owners should have no restrictions on what type of firearms they can own, to include fully automatic rifles and handguns. I for one would LOVE to get my hands on a Glock 18! The reason I want to own full-auto? Just for the sake of it, nothing else. In fact I wrote a paper about this for a writing class I once took. I got an A on that paper!
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