Posted on Apr 11, 2015
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In my opinion, the military has flexed its authority muscle against political expression in the ranks too much. I understand stopping disrespect and inflammatory remarks against those in charge, but where do we draw the line to stop those with power of authority from influencing those under their charge? Sometimes it really is the expression of an opinion on an issue and nothing more. I am glad this General was fired. I hope it starts a trend toward restoring the ability of military members to express support and disagreement on issues.
What do you think should be done to protect the rights of civil political discourse for those who serve?
http://www.stripes.com/news/af-general-who-said-protesting-a-10-decision-was-treason-removed-from-post-1.339480
What do you think should be done to protect the rights of civil political discourse for those who serve?
http://www.stripes.com/news/af-general-who-said-protesting-a-10-decision-was-treason-removed-from-post-1.339480
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My gut reaction to the headline was that some whiny "milenial" was crying again. That's a major reason that the army is having issues today. Some one gets their feelings hurt for getting put in their place and next thing you know they cry hazing. In my opinion those guys are committing treason by sabotaging the Army. This general on the other hand is the type of senior leader that gets under my skin. The A-10 has save my ass. Anyone speaking ill of the A10 and promotes one of the less-effective, more-costly options have interests other than the safety of our Soldiers, and the defense of our nation, at heart.
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Treason is a big word. No one should be accused of treason for speaking to our bosses (Congress). While it could potentially be inappropriate, it is certainly not treason. His punishment is appropriate.
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SGT (Join to see)
If you were in the room when the AF General was talking to the group you could give a truthful and honest answer ! But you were not in the room the same as I was not in the room . To play he said she said or telephone only goes so far . I have been involved with other weapons systems and have reported to on them . You never go around your commander ! And Congress will not single you out . They start with your commander . Your commander passes your name and information . It is called chain of command .
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
SGT (Join to see), thanks for explaining your downvote.
There is a *huge* difference between going over your Chain of Command's heads, and committing treason.
There is a *huge* difference between going over your Chain of Command's heads, and committing treason.
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1LT William Clardy
SGT (Join to see), to amplify a bit on what SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA said, words matter, and some matter more than others. "Treason" is one of the heavyweights in that regard -- it should be bandied about with the same casual frivolity you would use for "genocide" or "serial rapist".
Treason is the *only* crime defined in the Constitution, and the definition is very clear. It is such a serious crime that actions sincerely labelled treasonous (e.g., a certain female actor's famous visit to Hanoi) fall far short and can at worst be prosecuted as "giving aid and comfort to an enemy".
Second, there is no question about what General Post said. He has not denied what he said, and has issued a written apology for his "poor choice of words". So there is no "he said she said" going on.
Finally, even if we give this flag-rank officer a heaping benefit of doubt and presume that he was just making an attempt at over-the-top humor in front of 300 airmen, even a joke by a general can be misperceived as a serious statement -- which is why flag officers are expected to be more careful about what they say than second lieutenants. So it's very reasonable to expect General Post to have known that any comment, serious or not, questioning the loyalty and integrity of Air Force officers and enlisted who professionally disagree with the leadership's decision to try axing the A10 (yet again) would be taken as an attempt to silence them from offering honest advice to Congress.
Treason is the *only* crime defined in the Constitution, and the definition is very clear. It is such a serious crime that actions sincerely labelled treasonous (e.g., a certain female actor's famous visit to Hanoi) fall far short and can at worst be prosecuted as "giving aid and comfort to an enemy".
Second, there is no question about what General Post said. He has not denied what he said, and has issued a written apology for his "poor choice of words". So there is no "he said she said" going on.
Finally, even if we give this flag-rank officer a heaping benefit of doubt and presume that he was just making an attempt at over-the-top humor in front of 300 airmen, even a joke by a general can be misperceived as a serious statement -- which is why flag officers are expected to be more careful about what they say than second lieutenants. So it's very reasonable to expect General Post to have known that any comment, serious or not, questioning the loyalty and integrity of Air Force officers and enlisted who professionally disagree with the leadership's decision to try axing the A10 (yet again) would be taken as an attempt to silence them from offering honest advice to Congress.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
Article III, Section 3, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
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SSG Trevor S.
"If anyone accuses me of saying this, I will deny it. . . anyone who is passing information to Congress about A-10 capabilities is committing treason," he reportedly told the airmen. quote from story in the link
I would say that saying before hand that you will deny the comment pretty much negates the context excuse.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-air-force-general-fired-10-treason-comments-224441453.html
I would say that saying before hand that you will deny the comment pretty much negates the context excuse.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-air-force-general-fired-10-treason-comments-224441453.html
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SGT (Join to see)
it is so easy to take any thing said by anyone out of context ! And not being there in person to hear the speech or comments . This sounds like they are playing telephone .
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LCpl Steve Wininger
Based on what I read and my understanding, which is limited since I was not there or have not seen any video, He should be reprimanded. even a poor choice of words is an indication of poor judgement and he shouldn't be in such a command position.
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