Posted on Apr 9, 2023
Second Amendment 'rights' do not mean children should be slaughtered: Letters
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https://www.seacoastonline.com/story/opinion/letters/2023/04/07/2nd-amendment-rights-do-not-include-school-shootings-letters/ [login to see] 7/
There are 5 Letters to the Editor on the link. The 1st(5 April) one is the reason I'm posting it. The woman writing it has an irrational fear. In Her first sentence she talks of killing puppies and kittens. Then she proceeds to equate those actions to being 2nd Amendment supporter. This what the Pro2A caucus is trying to overcome. This what the last few decades of Anti-gun propaganda has engendered in no few members of our society. Her analogy is disgusting and not the product of a clear mind.
SGT James Murphy, CPT Jack Durish,
SPC Gary Welch, SGT Mark Anderson,
CPL Douglas Chrysler, Maj Marty Hogan,
CSM Charles Hayden, SMSgt David A Asbury,
SSG William Jones, MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi
SSG Michael Noll, MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D.
SGM Erik Marquez, CW3 Harvey K.
SFC William Farrell, CPL Ronald Keyes Jr
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1SG Dan Capri, LTC (Join to see)
There are 5 Letters to the Editor on the link. The 1st(5 April) one is the reason I'm posting it. The woman writing it has an irrational fear. In Her first sentence she talks of killing puppies and kittens. Then she proceeds to equate those actions to being 2nd Amendment supporter. This what the Pro2A caucus is trying to overcome. This what the last few decades of Anti-gun propaganda has engendered in no few members of our society. Her analogy is disgusting and not the product of a clear mind.
SGT James Murphy, CPT Jack Durish,
SPC Gary Welch, SGT Mark Anderson,
CPL Douglas Chrysler, Maj Marty Hogan,
CSM Charles Hayden, SMSgt David A Asbury,
SSG William Jones, MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi
SSG Michael Noll, MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D.
SGM Erik Marquez, CW3 Harvey K.
SFC William Farrell, CPL Ronald Keyes Jr
Sgt (Join to see), SSG (Join to see)
1SG Dan Capri, LTC (Join to see)
Second Amendment 'rights' do not mean children should be slaughtered: Letters
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OK PV2 Sellnow, here's my proposal.
Prosecute violent offenders with felony level charges. If found guilty, incarcerate them and leave them there for the maximum time allowed by the law. In other words, enforce the existing laws. Get rid of DA's who are soft on crime.
According to the DOJ's National Institute of Justice, from 1966-2019, 60+% of the mass shooting perpetrators have prior run-ins with law enforcement that could be prosecuted as violent felonies, most (about 80%) plead down to misdemeanor level charges.
Prosecute violent offenders with felony level charges. If found guilty, incarcerate them and leave them there for the maximum time allowed by the law. In other words, enforce the existing laws. Get rid of DA's who are soft on crime.
According to the DOJ's National Institute of Justice, from 1966-2019, 60+% of the mass shooting perpetrators have prior run-ins with law enforcement that could be prosecuted as violent felonies, most (about 80%) plead down to misdemeanor level charges.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
Good recommendation - to bad its not already being implemented.
I do agree with Larry Sellnow's previous (on RP) observations that
mental health should be a concern prior to purchase of a weapon.
I do agree with Larry Sellnow's previous (on RP) observations that
mental health should be a concern prior to purchase of a weapon.
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Larry,
You asked for solutions. I would have replied directly, but I am blocked by you. But hopefully you are honestly interested in solutions, despite your combative rhetoric. So...
First, you have a flawed assumption. Gun free zones are targeted for attacks MUCH more often than armed zones. Time and again, shooters have stated that they selected their target based on the low probability of facing armed resistance. We saw it again in Nashville. The shooter assessed and discarded a more protected target before choosing Covenant.
So, my proposals are as follows:
1) Enforce existing laws. Especially straw buyer laws. Especially prosecuting violent felonies and not letting violent felons out on the street earlier than necessary.
2) Remove all gun free zones EXCEPT where there is armed security on site AND limited ingress requiring AT A MINIMUM metal detector scans for ALL people who enter. No back doors, no "bypass" lines, none of it. Everyone who enters gun free zone is guaranteed to be gun free. Including internal security. Think courts. But even the deputies on duty in the court are armed with only a night stick. Deputies on duty OUTSIDE the court (i.e. at the metal detector) can be armed, but they must be at a minimum paired, with standoff. No one can disarm all deputies at the same time. But if there is not THAT level of security, no gun free zones. All bad guys must face the potential that they will face armed resistance.
3) Basic firearms education in the schools. Load, unload, clear, render safe: revolvers, semi-automatics, pump action, bolt action, all of it. Drill two treat all firearms as if they are loaded, the first step is to clear and render safe. One week of your PE curriculum in 9th, 10th, and 11th grades. Don't have to fire any rounds, but have to demonstrate competence.
4) Stop charging self-defense and defense of other as murder or attempted murder.
Will it fix everything? No. But nothing will. Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither.
You asked for solutions. I would have replied directly, but I am blocked by you. But hopefully you are honestly interested in solutions, despite your combative rhetoric. So...
First, you have a flawed assumption. Gun free zones are targeted for attacks MUCH more often than armed zones. Time and again, shooters have stated that they selected their target based on the low probability of facing armed resistance. We saw it again in Nashville. The shooter assessed and discarded a more protected target before choosing Covenant.
So, my proposals are as follows:
1) Enforce existing laws. Especially straw buyer laws. Especially prosecuting violent felonies and not letting violent felons out on the street earlier than necessary.
2) Remove all gun free zones EXCEPT where there is armed security on site AND limited ingress requiring AT A MINIMUM metal detector scans for ALL people who enter. No back doors, no "bypass" lines, none of it. Everyone who enters gun free zone is guaranteed to be gun free. Including internal security. Think courts. But even the deputies on duty in the court are armed with only a night stick. Deputies on duty OUTSIDE the court (i.e. at the metal detector) can be armed, but they must be at a minimum paired, with standoff. No one can disarm all deputies at the same time. But if there is not THAT level of security, no gun free zones. All bad guys must face the potential that they will face armed resistance.
3) Basic firearms education in the schools. Load, unload, clear, render safe: revolvers, semi-automatics, pump action, bolt action, all of it. Drill two treat all firearms as if they are loaded, the first step is to clear and render safe. One week of your PE curriculum in 9th, 10th, and 11th grades. Don't have to fire any rounds, but have to demonstrate competence.
4) Stop charging self-defense and defense of other as murder or attempted murder.
Will it fix everything? No. But nothing will. Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither.
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Maj John Bell
PV2 Sellnow,
Prove competency to use a firearm? Sounds great in theory. Nonsense in practice.
How will a person gain "competency" prior to acquiring a firearm. [You can't get in the water until you know how to swim, and you can't learn how to swim until you get in the water] Who is going to provide instruction? Who is going to be the certifying body? Private companies? Law enforcement agencies? Are they going to do it for free?
SFC Casey O'Mally Public schools are proving inadequate at teaching reading, writing and arithmetic. At least in Michigan, most public schools don't even teach drivers education anymore and parental instruction is a "no-go" with the state. It has to be a state certified instructor. Now we're going to mandate that the schools teach firearms safety. The NEA is already anti-gun.
PV2 Sellnow, I assume you want to require photo ID before someone gets certified. People already object to photo ID for voting because $5-$25 is too much for a state issued photo walker's ID. Now, throw in a few hundred dollars for instruction and certification. Net effect, people will have to pay to exercise a constitutional right?
The unintended consequence is that you are disenfranchising the poor from their 2nd Amendment rights. Who needs to be able to protect themselves more than people who live in low-income, high crime neighborhoods?
Prove competency to use a firearm? Sounds great in theory. Nonsense in practice.
How will a person gain "competency" prior to acquiring a firearm. [You can't get in the water until you know how to swim, and you can't learn how to swim until you get in the water] Who is going to provide instruction? Who is going to be the certifying body? Private companies? Law enforcement agencies? Are they going to do it for free?
SFC Casey O'Mally Public schools are proving inadequate at teaching reading, writing and arithmetic. At least in Michigan, most public schools don't even teach drivers education anymore and parental instruction is a "no-go" with the state. It has to be a state certified instructor. Now we're going to mandate that the schools teach firearms safety. The NEA is already anti-gun.
PV2 Sellnow, I assume you want to require photo ID before someone gets certified. People already object to photo ID for voting because $5-$25 is too much for a state issued photo walker's ID. Now, throw in a few hundred dollars for instruction and certification. Net effect, people will have to pay to exercise a constitutional right?
The unintended consequence is that you are disenfranchising the poor from their 2nd Amendment rights. Who needs to be able to protect themselves more than people who live in low-income, high crime neighborhoods?
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