Posted on Dec 4, 2023
Higher Incidence of COVID-19 Found Among Consistent Mask-Wearers: Study
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epoch-times-falun-gong-growth-rcna111373
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SFC Casey O'Mally
It's a published peer-reviewed study. You know.... science.
Just because Epoch Times is the only one reporting on it does not make the actual SCIENCE wrong.
I thought we followed the science? Or is that only the science we like? Is that how it works? Or only the science our elite media overlords approve (after thorough government vetting and censorship, of course), maybe?
Now, I will readily admit that the study here is not conclusive, and has a lot of gaps. And the study creators admitted the same - and so does Epoch Times (weird for a conspiracy theory, admitting there are holes in your own study). But saying the PEER-REVIEWED PUBLISHED SCIENCE is invalid simply because Epoch Times reported on it is insane.
Just because Epoch Times is the only one reporting on it does not make the actual SCIENCE wrong.
I thought we followed the science? Or is that only the science we like? Is that how it works? Or only the science our elite media overlords approve (after thorough government vetting and censorship, of course), maybe?
Now, I will readily admit that the study here is not conclusive, and has a lot of gaps. And the study creators admitted the same - and so does Epoch Times (weird for a conspiracy theory, admitting there are holes in your own study). But saying the PEER-REVIEWED PUBLISHED SCIENCE is invalid simply because Epoch Times reported on it is insane.
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LTC Eugene Chu
SFC Casey O'Mally -
Quote from the study: "We believe the observed increased incidence of infection associated with wearing a face mask is likely due to unobservable and hence nonadjustable differences between those wearing and not wearing a mask. Observational studies reporting on the relationship between face mask use and risk of respiratory infections should be interpreted cautiously, and more randomized trials are needed."
Quote from the study: "We believe the observed increased incidence of infection associated with wearing a face mask is likely due to unobservable and hence nonadjustable differences between those wearing and not wearing a mask. Observational studies reporting on the relationship between face mask use and risk of respiratory infections should be interpreted cautiously, and more randomized trials are needed."
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SFC Casey O'Mally
LTC Eugene Chu Yes. And the "conspiracy theory" article admits and quotes the same. Just like I said... The study, the article, and I ALL admit this is not conclusive and there are gaps.
I note, however, you did the famous leftist trick, and pulled JUST the summarized quote you wanted, and left out that other IMPORTANT stuff that goes against your opinion.
Here's the FULL QUOTE from the conclusion, not the summarized one from the summary:
"Our findings suggest that wearing a face mask may be associated with an increased risk of infection. However, it is important to note that this association may be due to unobservable and non-adjustable differences between those wearing and not wearing a mask. Therefore, caution is imperative when interpreting the results from this and other observational studies on the relationship between mask-wearing and infection risk. Recommendations to wear face masks in the community are largely informed by low certainty evidence from observational studies.”
Note how they say their study DID find a link between mask wearing and COVID diagnoses? They admit that they cannot determine a CAUSAL link, but the link is there - just like Eopch times reported. (Including the lack of a causal link, weird. Almost like they are doing honest journalism.)
Also notice the last sentence where they state that previous recommendations were based on similar low-confidence studies? These scientists admit their flaws - and tell you point blank you have been living your life based on similarly flawed studies.
But we won't include that. Why would we?
You wanted to throw out the science because you don't like who reported on it.
I called you out for that, so you switched to "well it's not very GOOD science."
And I (and Epoch times) had already admitted that. But the point is that all of the OTHER science that we *had* to follow was equally crappy. And this science which is JUST AS VALID contradicts the VERY LITTLE "you must mask" science out there.
Ultimately, do what you want. But stop trying to tell me (and others) to "follow the science," when the science doesn't even agree with masking.
I note, however, you did the famous leftist trick, and pulled JUST the summarized quote you wanted, and left out that other IMPORTANT stuff that goes against your opinion.
Here's the FULL QUOTE from the conclusion, not the summarized one from the summary:
"Our findings suggest that wearing a face mask may be associated with an increased risk of infection. However, it is important to note that this association may be due to unobservable and non-adjustable differences between those wearing and not wearing a mask. Therefore, caution is imperative when interpreting the results from this and other observational studies on the relationship between mask-wearing and infection risk. Recommendations to wear face masks in the community are largely informed by low certainty evidence from observational studies.”
Note how they say their study DID find a link between mask wearing and COVID diagnoses? They admit that they cannot determine a CAUSAL link, but the link is there - just like Eopch times reported. (Including the lack of a causal link, weird. Almost like they are doing honest journalism.)
Also notice the last sentence where they state that previous recommendations were based on similar low-confidence studies? These scientists admit their flaws - and tell you point blank you have been living your life based on similarly flawed studies.
But we won't include that. Why would we?
You wanted to throw out the science because you don't like who reported on it.
I called you out for that, so you switched to "well it's not very GOOD science."
And I (and Epoch times) had already admitted that. But the point is that all of the OTHER science that we *had* to follow was equally crappy. And this science which is JUST AS VALID contradicts the VERY LITTLE "you must mask" science out there.
Ultimately, do what you want. But stop trying to tell me (and others) to "follow the science," when the science doesn't even agree with masking.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
The Epoch Times - Bias and Credibility
QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibitsone or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no
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