Posted on Jul 4, 2023
Activists spurred by affirmative action ruling challenge legacy admissions at Harvard
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From an equality point of view, the legacy program offends most people (who aren’t legacies).
I posted elsewhere that looking at the SFFA v Harvard case, it was shown that Harvard’s admitted class is more than 20% comprised of "children of donors, alumni, and faculty" – how much of the 20% exactly are from “alumni” (legacies) it doesn’t break out, but I believe a correct assumption is that it would make up the majority of the figure.
The cases against Harvard and UNC were “that their race-based admissions programs violate, respectively, Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment” which the Supreme Court found they did.
That brings it to the crux of the situation regarding legacies. While there is no doubt that race is a “suspect classification” (think “protected category”) that is covered by the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, how will “legacies” be viewed? Likely “legacies” would be viewed under the “rational basis review”* where it has to be shown that discrimination is allowed because it is related to a legitimate interest of the organization.
While they probably wouldn’t admit it publicly and would try to hide it ‘in the weeds’, it is absolutely in the self-interest of the institutions to admit legacy students. Their parents are usually more materially positioned and tend to be more generous donors than non-legacy parents.
The question that would probably be to a court is if the self-interest of the college/university is enough to overcome the equal protection. If it was evaluated under the same criteria of “strict scrutiny” that race was in PFFA v Harvard, it would be an obvious “No”. However, since it will likely be considered under the much looser “Rational basis review”, the decision could be markedly different.
* https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf
* https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/ [login to see] 1122889
* Courts have held that scrutiny of equal protection falls into three categories – strict scrutiny, intermediate scrutiny, and rational basis review. Strict scrutiny has to show a compelling interest and a narrowly tailored set of criteria to meet this compelling interest. This is what race, religion, national origin, etc. are viewed under. ‘Legacies’ would likely fall into the ‘everything else’ test of Rational basis review which means that a ‘legitimate interest’ must be shown.
I posted elsewhere that looking at the SFFA v Harvard case, it was shown that Harvard’s admitted class is more than 20% comprised of "children of donors, alumni, and faculty" – how much of the 20% exactly are from “alumni” (legacies) it doesn’t break out, but I believe a correct assumption is that it would make up the majority of the figure.
The cases against Harvard and UNC were “that their race-based admissions programs violate, respectively, Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment” which the Supreme Court found they did.
That brings it to the crux of the situation regarding legacies. While there is no doubt that race is a “suspect classification” (think “protected category”) that is covered by the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, how will “legacies” be viewed? Likely “legacies” would be viewed under the “rational basis review”* where it has to be shown that discrimination is allowed because it is related to a legitimate interest of the organization.
While they probably wouldn’t admit it publicly and would try to hide it ‘in the weeds’, it is absolutely in the self-interest of the institutions to admit legacy students. Their parents are usually more materially positioned and tend to be more generous donors than non-legacy parents.
The question that would probably be to a court is if the self-interest of the college/university is enough to overcome the equal protection. If it was evaluated under the same criteria of “strict scrutiny” that race was in PFFA v Harvard, it would be an obvious “No”. However, since it will likely be considered under the much looser “Rational basis review”, the decision could be markedly different.
* https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf
* https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/ [login to see] 1122889
* Courts have held that scrutiny of equal protection falls into three categories – strict scrutiny, intermediate scrutiny, and rational basis review. Strict scrutiny has to show a compelling interest and a narrowly tailored set of criteria to meet this compelling interest. This is what race, religion, national origin, etc. are viewed under. ‘Legacies’ would likely fall into the ‘everything else’ test of Rational basis review which means that a ‘legitimate interest’ must be shown.
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LTC Trent Klug
I could care less about legacy admissions. I want my kids, and all kids, to be considered for a college based on their academic accomplishments, and I know most parents would want the same thing.
I would insert MLK in here, but I'd be called out as I have on other forums. But his dream is on life support in some sectors of our political universe.
To be honest, I'd rather my kids go to Hillsdale College to learn and not because of the school's political leanings. But I will be happy with wherever they apply to and finally attend.
Right now, a vast majority of our federal government is run by those who are considered the best and brightest because they went to Yale, Harvard, or Princeton. Look at where this country is right now. Their expertise is suspect at best, incompetence at worst. Especially after covid.
I would insert MLK in here, but I'd be called out as I have on other forums. But his dream is on life support in some sectors of our political universe.
To be honest, I'd rather my kids go to Hillsdale College to learn and not because of the school's political leanings. But I will be happy with wherever they apply to and finally attend.
Right now, a vast majority of our federal government is run by those who are considered the best and brightest because they went to Yale, Harvard, or Princeton. Look at where this country is right now. Their expertise is suspect at best, incompetence at worst. Especially after covid.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
LTC Trent Klug - Also in my own experience based on job skills I'm not overly impressed with Harvard Graduates whom I feel are highly overrated. I've seem many with degrees from other Colleges and universities run circles around these "Elite" Ivy school graduates.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
MSG Joseph Cristofaro - but they accept government money so they are not entirely private. I guess we'll have to wait and see on this.
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COL Randall C.
Lt Col Charlie Brown - Looking at the list (updated Aug 22) from College Transitions* of the institutes and if they consider Legacy status or not, of the 335 institutions they track, about 100 don't consider Legacy status. This tracks with the list of the top 100 Universities and top 75 Liberal Arts Colleges tracked by Spark Admissions* where about only 1/3 of the top Universities don't consider Legacy (only 3 of the top 75 Liberal Arts Colleges don't consider Legacy).
As Lt Col Charlie Brown mentioned the key is if they accept government money. That has always been the 'carrot' that the Federal government uses to enforce the 'stick'.
However, legacy admissions isn't just something ivy league schools do.
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* https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/colleges-that-consider-legacy-status
* Based on U.S. News & World Reports Ranking - not sure which year was used though https://www.sparkadmissions.com/blog/which-colleges-consider-legacy-status/
As Lt Col Charlie Brown mentioned the key is if they accept government money. That has always been the 'carrot' that the Federal government uses to enforce the 'stick'.
However, legacy admissions isn't just something ivy league schools do.
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* https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/colleges-that-consider-legacy-status
* Based on U.S. News & World Reports Ranking - not sure which year was used though https://www.sparkadmissions.com/blog/which-colleges-consider-legacy-status/
Colleges that Consider Legacy Status
College Transitions looks at colleges that consider legacy status -- where they grant favor to the children of alumni.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown: The vast majority of us do, but Harvard said they will find divisive ways to circumvent the ruling. If our Congress has a backbone, they will suspend funding to every College that breaks the law, starting now, and the College must, unequivocally, prove their Admissions are merit based if they even want a penny of funding. Unless, those of you on the Left, prefer having a flunky doing open heart surgery on you rather than a brilliant scholar? Careful of what you protest for, it could come back to kill you!
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