Posted on Mar 6, 2023
Marine Corps eliminating its elite scout sniper platoons
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This makes no sense, the Marine Corps is beginning to devalue its self as a self sustaining fighting force that can support itself without needing any Army or Air Force because we already have those assets but,,now we can’t say that anymore because we’re losing Man power, Tanks, Artillery and now some Sniper assets. With all those lost assets, it’s going to reduce that independence and give Congress a final reason to dismantle the USMC as they have been trying to do for many years. The only reason the USMC is still here is because,,when the President needs a quick response force the USMC has always been there as his 911 force.
Losing some Sniper assets won’t be immediately felt but, losing them and losing Tanks will limit the operations capabilities for especially a MEU Commanders ability to accomplish his mission. If we have to gain or hold ground it will be harder waiting on reinforcements from the 82nd AB Division which is the Army’s QRF.,Every MEU or MEF I ever deployed with, has always had the manpower and supporting arms it needed to accomplish the real world mission and if needed hold ground until our mission was complete or reinforcements arrived. I still shake my head in total displeasure that a Commandant who serves a 4 year tour was able to reshape the structure of our Marine Corps by retiring all 4 tank Battalions with the stroke of a pen. With that poorly misinformed decision,,he either had no input or very poor input about the need for tanks in the USMC. He apparently has never been a MEU or MEF Commander because, Tanks will,,were and always have been a vital assets to provide ground support to the forward deployed Marines and especially an LAR BN. This I know because, I was the 2nd LAR Battalions Master Gunner and Ops Chief for four years and we always needed Tanks to provide us the heavy support we needed incase we were ever deployed against Tanks and with what’s going on in Ukraine and Europe, who knows what could happen but,,this I do know, an LAR BN without Tank support in that area of operation would be a suicide mission.,We already see Ukraine begging for tanks, I wander why (sarcasm) and here we are, giving ours away. That’s poor decisions are going to potentially bite some poor LAR BN in the ass when they’re out reconning the AO an run up tanks and they have no tanks in immediate support. I promise you that fight won’t last long. Now back to the snipers. Snipers are great physiological asset in any area of operation and I can’t understand why the USMC is ready to reduce those numbers especially when our only need to exists, is to provide the President with a fighting force that he can immediately deploy, any where and anytime he needs it without needing congressional approval for up to 90 Days. I can’t believe these Senior Enlisted and General Officers that should be advising are so willing to just give up those assets that will reduce our capabilities to be that fully independent fight force, that has spearheaded every major war or conflict the USA has every been involved in. We are that one force that the American taxpayer has repeatedly told those politicians to leave us alone because, of history and especially our history as an elite fight force, is the only reason we’re still here. Semper Fi
Losing some Sniper assets won’t be immediately felt but, losing them and losing Tanks will limit the operations capabilities for especially a MEU Commanders ability to accomplish his mission. If we have to gain or hold ground it will be harder waiting on reinforcements from the 82nd AB Division which is the Army’s QRF.,Every MEU or MEF I ever deployed with, has always had the manpower and supporting arms it needed to accomplish the real world mission and if needed hold ground until our mission was complete or reinforcements arrived. I still shake my head in total displeasure that a Commandant who serves a 4 year tour was able to reshape the structure of our Marine Corps by retiring all 4 tank Battalions with the stroke of a pen. With that poorly misinformed decision,,he either had no input or very poor input about the need for tanks in the USMC. He apparently has never been a MEU or MEF Commander because, Tanks will,,were and always have been a vital assets to provide ground support to the forward deployed Marines and especially an LAR BN. This I know because, I was the 2nd LAR Battalions Master Gunner and Ops Chief for four years and we always needed Tanks to provide us the heavy support we needed incase we were ever deployed against Tanks and with what’s going on in Ukraine and Europe, who knows what could happen but,,this I do know, an LAR BN without Tank support in that area of operation would be a suicide mission.,We already see Ukraine begging for tanks, I wander why (sarcasm) and here we are, giving ours away. That’s poor decisions are going to potentially bite some poor LAR BN in the ass when they’re out reconning the AO an run up tanks and they have no tanks in immediate support. I promise you that fight won’t last long. Now back to the snipers. Snipers are great physiological asset in any area of operation and I can’t understand why the USMC is ready to reduce those numbers especially when our only need to exists, is to provide the President with a fighting force that he can immediately deploy, any where and anytime he needs it without needing congressional approval for up to 90 Days. I can’t believe these Senior Enlisted and General Officers that should be advising are so willing to just give up those assets that will reduce our capabilities to be that fully independent fight force, that has spearheaded every major war or conflict the USA has every been involved in. We are that one force that the American taxpayer has repeatedly told those politicians to leave us alone because, of history and especially our history as an elite fight force, is the only reason we’re still here. Semper Fi
My Grandson just finished his basic training and AIT for being a Combat Engineer. You won't believe the shit they are putting up for troops. He was head and shoulders above everyone else in his unit so of course he had a hard time but he knew how to handle himself. Right now it looks like they are recruiting for the dirty dozen many times over and it's really starting to show. A lot of Court Mandated Optioned people. Really Sad. The Military is NOT a dumping ground for the worlds criminal misfits! But we know the Biden Administration so that's what's happening! let's hope my Grandson can make a difference. Trying to find somebody to watch your six has never been harder!!
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The planned changes will be immensely greater than getting rid of the snipers.
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MAJ Ken Landgren exactly that’s why I addressed my concern with the Commandant and the SgtMaj of the Marine Corps. I explained to them why I felt as a Senior Marine it was my responsibility to speak my concerns, not for me because I’m retired but, it is for those young Marines that these bad decisions will effect because, losing those assets will effect them and possible their mission. You and I both know Losing those assets will eventually bite the Corps in the butt because, when they can’t support the mission they will be forced to depend on the Army. I’m sure you’re aware of the fights that have fought with congress for the need of the Marine Corps and If it weren’t for the support of then Senator John McCain and the American citizens congress would have already disband us and let the Army absorb our mission and move the Marines the Department of the Army. With this current administration and the drop of support from the civilians, I’m concerned that has become a greater likelihood because, you and I both know the democrats don’t care about the Corps rich military history and the contributions it has made to our military successes. I just hope that fight doesn’t come back to congress but I’m sure it will.
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MGySgt Samuel Steen Thanks for your cogent response. I read stupidity like the Marines will borrow tanks from the army. I can’t even begin with the absolute silliness of this vision. Amphibious operation are super complex and a force can’t just borrow vehicles and execute it in this absurd vacuum.
Considering the infinitely myopic Marine Corps Mission, I visualize Marines on ships protecting the fleet with long range missiles and small teams of Marines sneaking onto islands readying long range missiles to protect the fleet. The commadant is designing absolesence and irrelevance. My spelling be damned. lol
Considering the infinitely myopic Marine Corps Mission, I visualize Marines on ships protecting the fleet with long range missiles and small teams of Marines sneaking onto islands readying long range missiles to protect the fleet. The commadant is designing absolesence and irrelevance. My spelling be damned. lol
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MAJ Ken Landgren - I agree and my grammatical errors have increased a bit since I retired almost 13 years ago. I guess I should proof read before I hit comment, it seems I find the errors once it’s sent and unfortunately I haven’t figured out how to edit it to correct my mistakes lol. Maybe I should ask someone lol. Have a great day. Semper Fi
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MGySgt Samuel Steen It’s all good. The main OBJ is communicating so the other party understands. I assume you agree with my assessment of the corps.
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