Posted on Jul 1, 2019
I Was Kicked Out of the Military for Being Gay
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Now, almost a decade after the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, the fight for equality continues for trans service members.
I Was Kicked Out of the Military for Being Gay
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People are 'kicked out' for not meeting standards or for committing a crime.
People are also barred from enlisting for many good reasons. The military is NOT some all-inclusive club. Fat people can't join. Those with numerous health issues can't. People with a history of long-term (and some short-term) mental illness can't join.
Allowing trans people in is a problem. They must take hormones the rest of their life and they do influence how people think. If they can't get them then their 'brain' is altered further.
Factually, they'll never be what they want yet expect us to accept them as such. DNA is the identifier. When things go wrong, you get people with psychosis, long-term depression, mania, insanity, and 'people who think they are born in the wrong body.' Pretty sure you wouldn't give the other examples a weapon.
Sexuality is different than thinking one is an attack helicopter or "really a woman instead of a man". We're not meant to be equal. Uniqueness is far more valuable than being the same.
People are also barred from enlisting for many good reasons. The military is NOT some all-inclusive club. Fat people can't join. Those with numerous health issues can't. People with a history of long-term (and some short-term) mental illness can't join.
Allowing trans people in is a problem. They must take hormones the rest of their life and they do influence how people think. If they can't get them then their 'brain' is altered further.
Factually, they'll never be what they want yet expect us to accept them as such. DNA is the identifier. When things go wrong, you get people with psychosis, long-term depression, mania, insanity, and 'people who think they are born in the wrong body.' Pretty sure you wouldn't give the other examples a weapon.
Sexuality is different than thinking one is an attack helicopter or "really a woman instead of a man". We're not meant to be equal. Uniqueness is far more valuable than being the same.
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SPC Angela Burnham
"Allowing trans people in is a problem."
It wasn't from March 2015- July 2017. There were literally zero issues reported in fact, and trans people were allowed to serve completely openly.
"They must take hormones the rest of their life and they do influence how people think. If they can't get them then their 'brain' is altered further."
It doesn't work like that. If you stop taking hormones then you can still function fine in most cases. But if youre so sure about that, then I guess we should also stop allowing male soldiers with low testosterone levels and females undergoing menopause from taking hormone supplements too. Because we've been doing that since Vietnam with zero issue.
It wasn't from March 2015- July 2017. There were literally zero issues reported in fact, and trans people were allowed to serve completely openly.
"They must take hormones the rest of their life and they do influence how people think. If they can't get them then their 'brain' is altered further."
It doesn't work like that. If you stop taking hormones then you can still function fine in most cases. But if youre so sure about that, then I guess we should also stop allowing male soldiers with low testosterone levels and females undergoing menopause from taking hormone supplements too. Because we've been doing that since Vietnam with zero issue.
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SPC Brian Mason
Addison can say all whatever he/she wishes. It doesn't negate facts.
Hormones affect brain chemistry and stopping them WILL affect a person.
Zero issue? Ever? No drug works 100% of the time on every person that uses it. You have failed that both men and women have testosterone and estrogen.
Men have more of the former and women have more of the later. When things get out of whack, for whatever reason, it does change how people think and act.
Your example is bring a person's normal levels in check; not forcing a MtF to suppress testosterone and take estrogen which is abnormal.
Pretty sure Addison will latch onto this. Facts are not opinions. I don't deal in the later unless it's asked. DNA cannot be changed. GRS does not 'fix' anything and anyone who's neurons and brain chemistry are off do not need access to weapons or the military.
This goes for people in crisis, sometimes soldiers get drugs and are detained, as well as those with psychosis, long-term depression, mania, etc.
Hormones affect brain chemistry and stopping them WILL affect a person.
Zero issue? Ever? No drug works 100% of the time on every person that uses it. You have failed that both men and women have testosterone and estrogen.
Men have more of the former and women have more of the later. When things get out of whack, for whatever reason, it does change how people think and act.
Your example is bring a person's normal levels in check; not forcing a MtF to suppress testosterone and take estrogen which is abnormal.
Pretty sure Addison will latch onto this. Facts are not opinions. I don't deal in the later unless it's asked. DNA cannot be changed. GRS does not 'fix' anything and anyone who's neurons and brain chemistry are off do not need access to weapons or the military.
This goes for people in crisis, sometimes soldiers get drugs and are detained, as well as those with psychosis, long-term depression, mania, etc.
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SPC Angela Burnham
SPC Brian Mason - The medical community completely contradicts what you're saying here. Trans people are born trans, everything from MRI brain scans to genetic studies identifying over a dozen different related markers in our DNA have pointed to that.
Also, you haven't refuted a single argument of mine. Not a single problem was reported by the chiefs of staff during the hearings about this in 2017. Not a single incident of a transgender soldier failing to perform in the field was brought up in the TWO YEARS we were allowed to serve.
And if failing to receive hormones is THAT debilitating (it's not, I've been on and off of them for half a decade now, I think I know a little better than you) then why allow cisgender soldiers access to hormones if they might lose that access later in a deployment? Why not just chapter them too? After all: "anyone who's neurons and brain chemistry are off do not need access to weapons or the military."
Your only argument there is that cis soldiers are allowed access to hormone replacement therapy so that they can "bring a person's normal levels in check; not forcing a MtF to suppress testosterone and take estrogen which is abnormal."
Why does it matter if the consequences are the same regardless? Because one is "wrong" and one is "right"? Who the hell gets to decide that? Politicians who change their minds every 4 years? Some magic man in the sky? You? Give me a reason here Mason, a.r.t.i.c.u.l.a.t.e your argument so that simple transgender plebeians like myself and SSgt Addison R. can understand you.
Also, you haven't refuted a single argument of mine. Not a single problem was reported by the chiefs of staff during the hearings about this in 2017. Not a single incident of a transgender soldier failing to perform in the field was brought up in the TWO YEARS we were allowed to serve.
And if failing to receive hormones is THAT debilitating (it's not, I've been on and off of them for half a decade now, I think I know a little better than you) then why allow cisgender soldiers access to hormones if they might lose that access later in a deployment? Why not just chapter them too? After all: "anyone who's neurons and brain chemistry are off do not need access to weapons or the military."
Your only argument there is that cis soldiers are allowed access to hormone replacement therapy so that they can "bring a person's normal levels in check; not forcing a MtF to suppress testosterone and take estrogen which is abnormal."
Why does it matter if the consequences are the same regardless? Because one is "wrong" and one is "right"? Who the hell gets to decide that? Politicians who change their minds every 4 years? Some magic man in the sky? You? Give me a reason here Mason, a.r.t.i.c.u.l.a.t.e your argument so that simple transgender plebeians like myself and SSgt Addison R. can understand you.
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SPC Brian Mason
The fact you used 'cis' is also a problem.
Most of you can't use 'binary' is it's put with sex and gender. You don't speak for the entire medical community. Addison won't listen to reason. So by your 'claim' a baby to child who hasn't figured out sense of self completely is knows he/she is trans. They don't.
Again, not a single problem......EVER. That claim is ridiculous and false. People lie and also keep their mouth shut and the military is no exception.
I've seen instances where a soldier has a crisis moment here and overseas. They are put on suicide watch and overseas their weapon(s) are taken away, they are off duty, and monitored 24/7 until evaluation is complete.
The fact this community when they do transition must take hormones the rest of their lives. You can not stop and start like a roller coaster. Biological women normally have more estrogen and swapping them is NOT normal. These are facts, not opinions and basic human biology.
Again, you further dig your own hole. You bring up politics. You make fun of Christians with your statement. I do not argue from that which is a 'point of authority' that not all people recognize.
Facts and statistics do not care about 'feelings and beliefs'. I appreciate all who served, honorably, despite disagreements. Disagreements do not equal hate. Speech is not violence. However, 99% of the time when this discussion is brought up, your lot get quite 'worked up' . None are being rounded up and locked away.
Normal people don't cut off body healthy body parts, wear the other sex's clothes, and swap their hormones for life. The first is never medically necessary and yet it's allowed. Just b/c you experienced something, it doesn't make you an expert on it. Same goes for anyone.
There are people who are far worse in this as they won't give in to any of it. At most, I'll call one by their legal name but I'm not going to throw all biological and scientific fact in the garbage to 'think and say' that a person can choose their gender; while also having health body parts cut off, mangled, and implants mean to look like something they'll never be.
Most of you can't use 'binary' is it's put with sex and gender. You don't speak for the entire medical community. Addison won't listen to reason. So by your 'claim' a baby to child who hasn't figured out sense of self completely is knows he/she is trans. They don't.
Again, not a single problem......EVER. That claim is ridiculous and false. People lie and also keep their mouth shut and the military is no exception.
I've seen instances where a soldier has a crisis moment here and overseas. They are put on suicide watch and overseas their weapon(s) are taken away, they are off duty, and monitored 24/7 until evaluation is complete.
The fact this community when they do transition must take hormones the rest of their lives. You can not stop and start like a roller coaster. Biological women normally have more estrogen and swapping them is NOT normal. These are facts, not opinions and basic human biology.
Again, you further dig your own hole. You bring up politics. You make fun of Christians with your statement. I do not argue from that which is a 'point of authority' that not all people recognize.
Facts and statistics do not care about 'feelings and beliefs'. I appreciate all who served, honorably, despite disagreements. Disagreements do not equal hate. Speech is not violence. However, 99% of the time when this discussion is brought up, your lot get quite 'worked up' . None are being rounded up and locked away.
Normal people don't cut off body healthy body parts, wear the other sex's clothes, and swap their hormones for life. The first is never medically necessary and yet it's allowed. Just b/c you experienced something, it doesn't make you an expert on it. Same goes for anyone.
There are people who are far worse in this as they won't give in to any of it. At most, I'll call one by their legal name but I'm not going to throw all biological and scientific fact in the garbage to 'think and say' that a person can choose their gender; while also having health body parts cut off, mangled, and implants mean to look like something they'll never be.
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