Posted on Feb 1, 2018
Chicago Man Gets 4 Years For Illegal Gun Sales - Bearing Arms
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The left has been pushing for decades to disarm the USA. Placing more restrictions and enecting more laws which of course only affect the law abiding citizens.
Here is a perfect example of how gun control laws don't work or how criminals disregard laws...
Let’s look at this case, we have a straw purchase (which is illegal), false information being used on a Form 4473 (also illegal), and transporting guns across state lines for the purposes of selling them (which is, you guessed it, illegal). Pretty much every rule designed to stop this kind of behavior was broken, and this doesn’t even touch on the Illinois laws broken with these sales.
Tell me again how new gun laws will help? SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas @hogan LTC Stephen F. MSgt Stephen Council SGT John " Mac " McConnell PO3 Steven Sherrill SSG Warren Swan SGT Jim Arnold
The liberal logic of gun control works so well.
Here is a perfect example of how gun control laws don't work or how criminals disregard laws...
Let’s look at this case, we have a straw purchase (which is illegal), false information being used on a Form 4473 (also illegal), and transporting guns across state lines for the purposes of selling them (which is, you guessed it, illegal). Pretty much every rule designed to stop this kind of behavior was broken, and this doesn’t even touch on the Illinois laws broken with these sales.
Tell me again how new gun laws will help? SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas @hogan LTC Stephen F. MSgt Stephen Council SGT John " Mac " McConnell PO3 Steven Sherrill SSG Warren Swan SGT Jim Arnold
The liberal logic of gun control works so well.
Chicago Man Gets 4 Years For Illegal Gun Sales - Bearing Arms
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Thanks for posting LTC (Join to see) I hope this posts - it seems high winds are impacting my connectivity :-)
As we know career criminals disregard many laws as a way of life. They can be law abiding in some areas while consistently violating others. This tends not to be cognitive dissonance in action. Rather it seems to be a world view issue.
There are sufficient laws on the books in most areas of life and criminal activity. As technology changes new areas of criminally-minded folks tend to find creative ways to violate the spirit of the law if not the letter.
In general there are sufficient gun laws in this nation already on the books. As in many areas of life the issue tend to be enforcement and in some cases conflicting laws. The criminal laws focused on violence tend to be sufficient IMHO while the laws focused on technology and financial transactions [white collar crimes][ are not always as consisteltly enforced.
When I was younger I was acquainted with murderers and career criminals generally focused on manufacture, distribution of narcotics and marijuana and supporting activities including untraceable weapons. Guns were not as sophisticated in the 1970s as they are today. Hand guns were more prevalent.
What do you think? COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Wayne Brandon LTC Bill Koski Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. Capt Seid Waddell Capt Tom Brown Maj Marty Hogan MSG Andrew White SFC William Farrell SSgt Robert Marx PO1 William "Chip" Nagel SGT Robert George SGT John " Mac " McConnell SP5 Mark Kuzinski SP5 Robert Ruck SPC Margaret Higgins SGT Charles H. Hawes SGT (Join to see)
As we know career criminals disregard many laws as a way of life. They can be law abiding in some areas while consistently violating others. This tends not to be cognitive dissonance in action. Rather it seems to be a world view issue.
There are sufficient laws on the books in most areas of life and criminal activity. As technology changes new areas of criminally-minded folks tend to find creative ways to violate the spirit of the law if not the letter.
In general there are sufficient gun laws in this nation already on the books. As in many areas of life the issue tend to be enforcement and in some cases conflicting laws. The criminal laws focused on violence tend to be sufficient IMHO while the laws focused on technology and financial transactions [white collar crimes][ are not always as consisteltly enforced.
When I was younger I was acquainted with murderers and career criminals generally focused on manufacture, distribution of narcotics and marijuana and supporting activities including untraceable weapons. Guns were not as sophisticated in the 1970s as they are today. Hand guns were more prevalent.
What do you think? COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Wayne Brandon LTC Bill Koski Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. Capt Seid Waddell Capt Tom Brown Maj Marty Hogan MSG Andrew White SFC William Farrell SSgt Robert Marx PO1 William "Chip" Nagel SGT Robert George SGT John " Mac " McConnell SP5 Mark Kuzinski SP5 Robert Ruck SPC Margaret Higgins SGT Charles H. Hawes SGT (Join to see)
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LTC Stephen F. I built my first AR15 in the 70s. Was much harder back then, you couldn't browse the Internet for parts, you had to write letters to get catalogues delivered to you through the mail. The first weapon I purchased was a M1 carbine, the first assault rifle, had 30 round magazines and even had a folding paratrooper stock at one point. It was a lot of fun to shoot, as was the AR15.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
LTC Stephen F. - "Guns were not as sophisticated in the 1970s as they are today." In what way is this relevant to gun laws?
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LTC Stephen F.
SSgt Christopher Brose - I was referring to my experience at getting shot at in the streets around Philadelphia while I was growing up.
"When I was younger I was acquainted with murderers and career criminals generally focused on manufacture, distribution of narcotics and marijuana and supporting activities including untraceable weapons. Guns were not as sophisticated in the 1970s as they are today. Hand guns were more prevalent."
Machine pistols like Uzi's were not available and Glocks were non existent.
Technology advances such as 3d printers which can manufacture primitive weapons with no metal parts - except the bullets.
Laws which applied in the 1970s didn't stop people from shooting at me. Nowadays the weapons are more accurate even if shooting skills aren't.
"When I was younger I was acquainted with murderers and career criminals generally focused on manufacture, distribution of narcotics and marijuana and supporting activities including untraceable weapons. Guns were not as sophisticated in the 1970s as they are today. Hand guns were more prevalent."
Machine pistols like Uzi's were not available and Glocks were non existent.
Technology advances such as 3d printers which can manufacture primitive weapons with no metal parts - except the bullets.
Laws which applied in the 1970s didn't stop people from shooting at me. Nowadays the weapons are more accurate even if shooting skills aren't.
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Aren't guns basically outlawed in the UK and yet they have a lot of knife murders? If someone is hell bent on harming or killing others, they will simply find another tool to do it.
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SPC David Willis
I don't think any one is saying you cant kill multiple people with a knife, but again lets use our heads. The military doesn't send soldiers into combat with knives and hammers. If knives and hammers were equally devastating in terms of what it does to the body, and how many people in can engage quickly they would save the money and send us all over with knives and hammers.
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SPC David Willis
CDR Dan Cunningham - Why would you dispose of the body if its a legal shoot? You just turned justified homicide into a crime.
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CDR Dan Cunningham
SPC David Willis - Funny that you could post this at the same time on another thread: 'As I get older what's important to me changes and my experiences shape my view on what's morally right/wrong.'
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SPC David Willis
CDR Dan Cunningham - Not sure why that's funny, but glad you got a kick out of it...
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Here's the thing, human beings are not computers that can be "programmed". No one ever set up a totalitarian dictatorship for the heck of it...in every case someone, or some group of someones believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was necessary. Most of the time, regimes such as these come about because given enough power, people start to think they fix anything. Contra-positively, given enough problems to "fix"...people start to think they can gain all the power.
When it comes to firearms, no law will ever stop violence or accidental deaths associated; not as long as there are bad people willing to disobey, or good people who make dumb decisions. I've owned and operated firearms for more than thirty years...and every time I pick one up, I am risking the possibility of destroying someone's life.
The answer isn't laws aimed at controlling weapons, but possibly laws aimed at influencing how as a society we respond to them. We've got young persons on the streets and in our schools who are being fed a mainline cocktail of music, film and other media glamorizing a life of crime and violence. We have games being sold to children that feature grizzly depictions of death as entertainment. Two of the most popular fictional characters of the last five years were a criminally insane clown and his psychotic, Stockholm Syndrome girlfriend. We are addicted to a never-ending litany of debates, demonstrations, arguments (even, dare I say, social media posts) featuring everything that divides us...with no offered suggestions for how anything will ever unite us. The result is a society that doesn't believe in real compassion or compromise, accepts that nothing but force can sway behaviors, and is sitting...waiting for ...maybe wanting it all to come crashing down around our ankles.
Even a "free" society needs principles, and along with them, responsibility. If we REALLY want to make our nation a safer, better place...perhaps we need to re-instill the first, so that the latter will follow.
When it comes to firearms, no law will ever stop violence or accidental deaths associated; not as long as there are bad people willing to disobey, or good people who make dumb decisions. I've owned and operated firearms for more than thirty years...and every time I pick one up, I am risking the possibility of destroying someone's life.
The answer isn't laws aimed at controlling weapons, but possibly laws aimed at influencing how as a society we respond to them. We've got young persons on the streets and in our schools who are being fed a mainline cocktail of music, film and other media glamorizing a life of crime and violence. We have games being sold to children that feature grizzly depictions of death as entertainment. Two of the most popular fictional characters of the last five years were a criminally insane clown and his psychotic, Stockholm Syndrome girlfriend. We are addicted to a never-ending litany of debates, demonstrations, arguments (even, dare I say, social media posts) featuring everything that divides us...with no offered suggestions for how anything will ever unite us. The result is a society that doesn't believe in real compassion or compromise, accepts that nothing but force can sway behaviors, and is sitting...waiting for ...maybe wanting it all to come crashing down around our ankles.
Even a "free" society needs principles, and along with them, responsibility. If we REALLY want to make our nation a safer, better place...perhaps we need to re-instill the first, so that the latter will follow.
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