Posted on Aug 14, 2017
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The Confederate Stars and Bars was a battle flag COL Charles Williams. I deplore hate speech in general. Violence for the sake of violence against peaceful demonstration is also deplorable IMHO.
The confrontation in Charlottesville, VA is over a monument to Robert E. Lee, who is USMA, West Point graduate number 542 from the class of 1829 who was wounded in the Mexican war of 1846, served as Superintendent of USMA from 1852 to 1855 and when the Civil War broke out he was offered command of the Federal forces.
He wrestled with that decision and chose to fight for Virginia. I support the statue for Robert E. Lee who was a man of conscience who like so many others had to make dreadful decisions on a daily basis throughout the uncivil Civil War.
FYI I strongly support the statues in honor of CSA Generals and the war monuments to confederate dead. If I was alive in the Civil War I would have fought for the Federal cause; however, I would honor the war dead of the south as well as the north.
Of course the radicalized left is focusing on the Nazi flags and symbols since they would like to strip our history of everything they find offensive.
It was the democrats in the Civil War time who supported slavery from New York on south through Maryland in particular. The New York Democrats incited the draft riots in the summer of 1863 (July 13–16, 1863) during which a number of blacks were lynched and an orphanage was burned - thankfully the orphans escaped with help.
The radicalized left wants to strip away any reference to CSA leaders or the CSA. They would like to rename any fort name after a confederate leaders and most likely the M3 Lee Medium tank named in honor of Robert E. Lee and the M3 Stuart Light Tank, named in honor of J.E.B. Stuart.
Here is a listing of the 10 forts named after Confederates
1. Camp Beauregard, La., honors Louisiana native and Confederate General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard (1818-1893, West Point class of 1838). It is a major training site for the Louisiana National Guard. Beauregard was the first brigadier general in the Confederate army. Dispatched to defend Charleston, S.C., his troops began shelling Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, launching the Civil War.
2. Fort Benning, Ga., honors Brigadier General Henry Benning (1814-1875), a Georgia lawyer, politician, judge and supporter of slavery. The Army established Camp Benning, known as the Home of the Infantry, in 1918; it became a fort four years later 1950 (forts generally are bigger, more permanent installations than camps). “In the wake of Lincoln's election, Benning became one of Georgia's most vocal proponents of secession,” according to the New Georgia Encyclopedia. “On November 19, 1860, he delivered a speech before the state legislature urging immediate secession, ending the speech by saying,`[L]et us do our duty; and what is our duty? I say, men of Georgia, let us lift up our voices and shout, “Ho! for independence!” Let us follow the example of our ancestors, and prove ourselves worthy sons of worthy sires!’”
3. Fort Bragg, N.C., honors General Braxton Bragg (1817-1876, West Point class of 1837). He waged war ploddingly with frontal assaults, and a lack of post-battle follow-through that turned battlefield successes into post-battle disappointments. “Even Bragg's staunchest supporters admonished him for his quick temper, general irritability, and tendency to wound innocent men with barbs thrown during his frequent fits of anger,” historian Peter Cozzens has written. “His reluctance to praise or flatter was exceeded, we are told, only by the tenacity with which, once formed, he clung to an adverse impression of a subordinate. For such officers—and they were many in the Army of the Mississippi—Bragg's removal or their transfer were the only alternatives to an unbearable existence.”
4. Fort Gordon, Ga., honors Lieut. General John Brown Gordon (1832-1904), one of Lee’s most-trusted officers. The post began as Camp Gordon in 1917; it became Fort Gordon in 1956. It is home to the Army Signal Corps and the service’s Cyber Center of Excellence. “Generally acknowledged as the head of the Ku Klux Klan in Georgia, he was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1872,” according to the New Georgia Encyclopedia (Gordon denied the charge). “By the time of his death in 1904, Gordon had capitalized on his war record to such an extent that he had become for many Georgians, and southerners in general, the living embodiment of the Confederacy.”
5. Fort A.P. Hill, Va., honors Virginia native Lieut. General A.P. Hill (1825-1865, West Point class of 1847). The Army created the post six months before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. Today it is a training and maneuver center focused on providing realistic joint and combined-arms training. Hill had a frail physique and was frequently ill, attributes some historians believe are linked to the gonorrhea he contracted while on furlough from West Point (an infection that forced him to repeat his third year). A Union soldier from Pennsylvania shot and killed Hill in Petersburg, Va., a week before the end of the Civil War.
rom Fort A.P. Hill's website U.S. Army, f
6. Fort Hood, Texas, honors native Kentuckian General John Bell Hood (1831-1879, West Point class of 1853). The post began as Camp Hood in 1942, becoming a fort in 1950. It is the largest active duty armored post in the U.S. military. Hood was wounded at Gettysburg, losing the use of his left arm. Despite that, he led his troops in a massive assault during the Battle of Chickamauga, suffering wounds that led to the loss of his right leg.
7. Fort Lee, Va., honors Virginian General Robert E. Lee (1807-1870, West Point class of 1829), the South’s commanding officer by the Civil War’s end. The War Department created Camp Lee within weeks of declaring war on Germany in 1917. The Pentagon promoted it to Fort Lee in 1950. Just south of Richmond, the capital of the Confederacy, the post is home to the Army Quartermaster School. Lee was the Confederacy’s most renowned general, and his forces inflicted tens of thousands of casualties on Union soldiers’ at Antietam, Gettysburg and Manassas.
8. Fort Pickett, Va., honors Major General George Pickett (1825-1875, West Point class of 1846), a Virginia native. Pickett’s 1863 charge at Gettysburg has been called “the high-water mark of the Confederacy” before ending up a Union victory. The charge resulted in a rebel bloodbath. Pickett fled to Canada for a year after the war ended, fearing execution as a traitor. Camp Pickett was dedicated on July 3, 1942, at 3 p.m., 79 years to the day and hour of Pickett's charge in Gettysburg. It became a fort in 1974 and now is a Virginia Army National Guard installation.
9. Fort Polk, La., honors Lieut. General Leonidas Polk (1806-1864, West Point class of 1827), an Episcopal bishop born in North Carolina. Established in 1941, the post is now home to the Army’s Joint Readiness Training Center, which trains thousands of soldiers annually for overseas deployments. Polk fought bitterly during the Civil War with his immediate superior, General Braxton Bragg, of Fort Bragg fame. Before being killed in action in 1864 during the Atlanta campaign, Polk committed one of the biggest blunders of the war. He sent troops to occupy Columbus, Ky., which led the Kentucky legislature to appeal to Washington for help, ending the state’s brief try at neutrality.
10. Fort Rucker, Alabama, honors Tennessee native Colonel Edmund Rucker (1835-1924) who was often called “general” but never attained the rank (he was known as “general” after becoming a leading Birmingham, Ala., industrialist after the Civil War). Known today as the Home of Army Aviation, Fort Rucker was originally the Ozark Triangular Division Camp before being renamed Camp Rucker in 1942. It became Fort Rucker in 1955.
http://time.com/3932914/army-bases-confederate/
FYI COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Wayne Brandon Maj William W. "Bill" Price Capt Seid Waddell Capt Tom Brown 1stSgt Eugene Harless SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SFC William Farrell MSG Andrew White SGT (Join to see)SSG William WallMSgt Jason McClishAN Christopher CrayneLTC Bill KoskiSgt Trevor BarrettSPC Tom DeSmet
SGT Charles H. HawesSFC Jeffrey Thivierge, MA, BSN, RN
The confrontation in Charlottesville, VA is over a monument to Robert E. Lee, who is USMA, West Point graduate number 542 from the class of 1829 who was wounded in the Mexican war of 1846, served as Superintendent of USMA from 1852 to 1855 and when the Civil War broke out he was offered command of the Federal forces.
He wrestled with that decision and chose to fight for Virginia. I support the statue for Robert E. Lee who was a man of conscience who like so many others had to make dreadful decisions on a daily basis throughout the uncivil Civil War.
FYI I strongly support the statues in honor of CSA Generals and the war monuments to confederate dead. If I was alive in the Civil War I would have fought for the Federal cause; however, I would honor the war dead of the south as well as the north.
Of course the radicalized left is focusing on the Nazi flags and symbols since they would like to strip our history of everything they find offensive.
It was the democrats in the Civil War time who supported slavery from New York on south through Maryland in particular. The New York Democrats incited the draft riots in the summer of 1863 (July 13–16, 1863) during which a number of blacks were lynched and an orphanage was burned - thankfully the orphans escaped with help.
The radicalized left wants to strip away any reference to CSA leaders or the CSA. They would like to rename any fort name after a confederate leaders and most likely the M3 Lee Medium tank named in honor of Robert E. Lee and the M3 Stuart Light Tank, named in honor of J.E.B. Stuart.
Here is a listing of the 10 forts named after Confederates
1. Camp Beauregard, La., honors Louisiana native and Confederate General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard (1818-1893, West Point class of 1838). It is a major training site for the Louisiana National Guard. Beauregard was the first brigadier general in the Confederate army. Dispatched to defend Charleston, S.C., his troops began shelling Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, launching the Civil War.
2. Fort Benning, Ga., honors Brigadier General Henry Benning (1814-1875), a Georgia lawyer, politician, judge and supporter of slavery. The Army established Camp Benning, known as the Home of the Infantry, in 1918; it became a fort four years later 1950 (forts generally are bigger, more permanent installations than camps). “In the wake of Lincoln's election, Benning became one of Georgia's most vocal proponents of secession,” according to the New Georgia Encyclopedia. “On November 19, 1860, he delivered a speech before the state legislature urging immediate secession, ending the speech by saying,`[L]et us do our duty; and what is our duty? I say, men of Georgia, let us lift up our voices and shout, “Ho! for independence!” Let us follow the example of our ancestors, and prove ourselves worthy sons of worthy sires!’”
3. Fort Bragg, N.C., honors General Braxton Bragg (1817-1876, West Point class of 1837). He waged war ploddingly with frontal assaults, and a lack of post-battle follow-through that turned battlefield successes into post-battle disappointments. “Even Bragg's staunchest supporters admonished him for his quick temper, general irritability, and tendency to wound innocent men with barbs thrown during his frequent fits of anger,” historian Peter Cozzens has written. “His reluctance to praise or flatter was exceeded, we are told, only by the tenacity with which, once formed, he clung to an adverse impression of a subordinate. For such officers—and they were many in the Army of the Mississippi—Bragg's removal or their transfer were the only alternatives to an unbearable existence.”
4. Fort Gordon, Ga., honors Lieut. General John Brown Gordon (1832-1904), one of Lee’s most-trusted officers. The post began as Camp Gordon in 1917; it became Fort Gordon in 1956. It is home to the Army Signal Corps and the service’s Cyber Center of Excellence. “Generally acknowledged as the head of the Ku Klux Klan in Georgia, he was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1872,” according to the New Georgia Encyclopedia (Gordon denied the charge). “By the time of his death in 1904, Gordon had capitalized on his war record to such an extent that he had become for many Georgians, and southerners in general, the living embodiment of the Confederacy.”
5. Fort A.P. Hill, Va., honors Virginia native Lieut. General A.P. Hill (1825-1865, West Point class of 1847). The Army created the post six months before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. Today it is a training and maneuver center focused on providing realistic joint and combined-arms training. Hill had a frail physique and was frequently ill, attributes some historians believe are linked to the gonorrhea he contracted while on furlough from West Point (an infection that forced him to repeat his third year). A Union soldier from Pennsylvania shot and killed Hill in Petersburg, Va., a week before the end of the Civil War.
rom Fort A.P. Hill's website U.S. Army, f
6. Fort Hood, Texas, honors native Kentuckian General John Bell Hood (1831-1879, West Point class of 1853). The post began as Camp Hood in 1942, becoming a fort in 1950. It is the largest active duty armored post in the U.S. military. Hood was wounded at Gettysburg, losing the use of his left arm. Despite that, he led his troops in a massive assault during the Battle of Chickamauga, suffering wounds that led to the loss of his right leg.
7. Fort Lee, Va., honors Virginian General Robert E. Lee (1807-1870, West Point class of 1829), the South’s commanding officer by the Civil War’s end. The War Department created Camp Lee within weeks of declaring war on Germany in 1917. The Pentagon promoted it to Fort Lee in 1950. Just south of Richmond, the capital of the Confederacy, the post is home to the Army Quartermaster School. Lee was the Confederacy’s most renowned general, and his forces inflicted tens of thousands of casualties on Union soldiers’ at Antietam, Gettysburg and Manassas.
8. Fort Pickett, Va., honors Major General George Pickett (1825-1875, West Point class of 1846), a Virginia native. Pickett’s 1863 charge at Gettysburg has been called “the high-water mark of the Confederacy” before ending up a Union victory. The charge resulted in a rebel bloodbath. Pickett fled to Canada for a year after the war ended, fearing execution as a traitor. Camp Pickett was dedicated on July 3, 1942, at 3 p.m., 79 years to the day and hour of Pickett's charge in Gettysburg. It became a fort in 1974 and now is a Virginia Army National Guard installation.
9. Fort Polk, La., honors Lieut. General Leonidas Polk (1806-1864, West Point class of 1827), an Episcopal bishop born in North Carolina. Established in 1941, the post is now home to the Army’s Joint Readiness Training Center, which trains thousands of soldiers annually for overseas deployments. Polk fought bitterly during the Civil War with his immediate superior, General Braxton Bragg, of Fort Bragg fame. Before being killed in action in 1864 during the Atlanta campaign, Polk committed one of the biggest blunders of the war. He sent troops to occupy Columbus, Ky., which led the Kentucky legislature to appeal to Washington for help, ending the state’s brief try at neutrality.
10. Fort Rucker, Alabama, honors Tennessee native Colonel Edmund Rucker (1835-1924) who was often called “general” but never attained the rank (he was known as “general” after becoming a leading Birmingham, Ala., industrialist after the Civil War). Known today as the Home of Army Aviation, Fort Rucker was originally the Ozark Triangular Division Camp before being renamed Camp Rucker in 1942. It became Fort Rucker in 1955.
http://time.com/3932914/army-bases-confederate/
FYI COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Wayne Brandon Maj William W. "Bill" Price Capt Seid Waddell Capt Tom Brown 1stSgt Eugene Harless SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SFC William Farrell MSG Andrew White SGT (Join to see)SSG William WallMSgt Jason McClishAN Christopher CrayneLTC Bill KoskiSgt Trevor BarrettSPC Tom DeSmet
SGT Charles H. HawesSFC Jeffrey Thivierge, MA, BSN, RN
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I think if many of us were alive during the Civil War we would have simply fought with whichever side our neighbors and family were on. There wasn't a whole lot of shared information so people could make a decision based on the needs of the nation.
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IMO good, bad, or ugly we have to remember history or we are doomed to repeat it. We as a nation should welcome our scars, wear them with pride, it made us who we are today. After all of the removing and renaming, whats next...removing religious figures, or "sanitizing" our past of everything we dont agree with at that time? Also IMO that is a huge mistake and a bell we cant unring. Instead of attacking the past, we should embrace it, learn from it, and think of ways to improve the future- not erase the past JS
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As a Russian wag once observed - "There is nothing so difficult to predict as history".
Have we come to that in this country too?
Sadly, the left seems to have.
Have we come to that in this country too?
Sadly, the left seems to have.
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