Posted on Jul 31, 2016
Former Joint Chiefs chairman: Retired generals shouldn't speak at political conventions
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I concur with Retired Army Gen. Martin Dempsey comments SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSLthat retired Marine Gen. John Allen and retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn crossed the line by speaking at the Democratic and Republican conventions because they drew attention to their ranks, respectively.
However if they were introduced as individuals with significant knowledge without drawing attention to their military rank I would think that was okay.
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Per DoD Directive 1344.10 Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces
4.1.2. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not:
4.1.2.1. Participate in partisan political fundraising activities (except as permitted in subparagraph 4.1.1.7. below), rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement.
Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator. (See subparagraph 4.1.1.9. below )
4.1.2.2. Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.
4.1.2.3. Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. This is distinguished from a letter to the editor as permitted
under the conditions noted in subparagraph 4.1.1.6.
4.1.2.4. Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan
4.1.2.5. Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
4.1.2.6. Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
4.1.2.7. Conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political club or group or distribute partisan political literature.
Note 1. Paragraph 4.1.1.7. Make monetary contributions to a political organization, party, or committee
favoring a particular candidate or slate of candidates, subject to the limitations under section
441a of title 2, United States Code (U.S.C.) (Reference (d)); section 607 of title 18, U.S.C.
(Reference (e)); and other applicable law.
Note 2 Paragraph 4.1.1.9. Attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn.
PO1 John Miller
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However if they were introduced as individuals with significant knowledge without drawing attention to their military rank I would think that was okay.
Update
Per DoD Directive 1344.10 Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces
4.1.2. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not:
4.1.2.1. Participate in partisan political fundraising activities (except as permitted in subparagraph 4.1.1.7. below), rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement.
Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator. (See subparagraph 4.1.1.9. below )
4.1.2.2. Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.
4.1.2.3. Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. This is distinguished from a letter to the editor as permitted
under the conditions noted in subparagraph 4.1.1.6.
4.1.2.4. Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan
4.1.2.5. Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
4.1.2.6. Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
4.1.2.7. Conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political club or group or distribute partisan political literature.
Note 1. Paragraph 4.1.1.7. Make monetary contributions to a political organization, party, or committee
favoring a particular candidate or slate of candidates, subject to the limitations under section
441a of title 2, United States Code (U.S.C.) (Reference (d)); section 607 of title 18, U.S.C.
(Reference (e)); and other applicable law.
Note 2 Paragraph 4.1.1.9. Attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn.
PO1 John Miller
LTC Stephen C. Capt Seid Waddell CW5 Charlie Poulton CW5 (Join to see) SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT SFC William Farrell SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" SSgt (Join to see) SSgt Robert Marx TSgt Joe C. SGT (Join to see) SGT Robert Hawks SGT Robert George SGT John " Mac " McConnell SGT Forrest Stewart SP5 Mark Kuzinski SrA Christopher Wright SPC (Join to see)
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LTC Stephen F.
I disagree sir! There is no reason why they shouldn't speak out. Especially now that they are civilians. Whether we agree or not they have a unique perspective from their previous position.
I disagree sir! There is no reason why they shouldn't speak out. Especially now that they are civilians. Whether we agree or not they have a unique perspective from their previous position.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
LTC Stephen F. roger that I disagree with the article myself, if you look at the past Presidents Grant, Eisenhower, Jefferson and Washington storied careers that started with the military as profound Generals and statesman. The benefits too me outweigh the cost what they bring to the table. Now being in Uniform is another story and I don't endorse that at all.
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COL Korey Jackson
The key phrase in DODD 1344.10 is "on active duty."
LTG Flynn and General Allen are retired, not on active duty; hence this DODD is not directly applicable.
Our nation has been blessed to have had, and still has today, political leaders in both parties who are not only veterans, but also retired members of the armed forces or who were currently serving in the National Guard or Reserves.
While I do not disagree with GEN Dempsey's remarks directed at the recent appearances by LTG Flynn and General Allen at national political conventions, and agree with MG Robert Scales, note that General Colin Powell spoke at the 2000 Republican Convention and endorsed then-candidate George W. Bush for the Presidency.
General Powell's participation in the 2000 Republican Convention was different than General Wesley Clark's role in the 2004 Democratic Convention: General Clark was actively campaigning and running for the presidency (and won the Oklahoma primary).
LTG Flynn and General Allen are retired, not on active duty; hence this DODD is not directly applicable.
Our nation has been blessed to have had, and still has today, political leaders in both parties who are not only veterans, but also retired members of the armed forces or who were currently serving in the National Guard or Reserves.
While I do not disagree with GEN Dempsey's remarks directed at the recent appearances by LTG Flynn and General Allen at national political conventions, and agree with MG Robert Scales, note that General Colin Powell spoke at the 2000 Republican Convention and endorsed then-candidate George W. Bush for the Presidency.
General Powell's participation in the 2000 Republican Convention was different than General Wesley Clark's role in the 2004 Democratic Convention: General Clark was actively campaigning and running for the presidency (and won the Oklahoma primary).
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There is no reason why they shouldn't speak out. Especially now that they are civilians. Whether we agree or not they have a unique perspective from their previous position.
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Why not, they earned that distinction of being a general officer. And most should know who the hell they are anyway for the most part.
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SFC Jerry Crouch, Ed.D. -
After your post I did a little reading and I stand corrected. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
After your post I did a little reading and I stand corrected. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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They are citizens and have a right to participate in the political process openly if they so choose. Most won't participate openly, but as tax paying citizens, if they were physicians, senators, congressmen or others in civil service now retired, they have earned the right, and should not expect a lifetime sentence of silence because of their previous occupation. Like a PhD, or MD, we retire with a rank. Don't call me Mrs Lorraine. Right? I'm retired, but still have some voice. The military does vote, but they must keep their political opinions to themselves until they are no longer under the UCMJ.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
Colonel, if I may interject, I agree they have a 100% right to speak on any issue they choose. But I disagree on using the title. I know it has always been different in the Officer Corps, but when one retires, one gives up the necessity of being referred to by their rank. I find it strange nowadays when I am referred to as Master Sergeant. I have not worn the stripes of a Master Sergeant for over 35 years now. I appreciate the respect being shown, but I don't believe it is a necessity.
Also, if one is speaking at a political function, the rank should never be used.
Jut the humble opinion of a tired old soldier.
Also, if one is speaking at a political function, the rank should never be used.
Jut the humble opinion of a tired old soldier.
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