Posted on Apr 7, 2020
SSG Carlos Madden
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Do these comments hurt or hinder the overall mission?

Full audio: https://soundcloud.com/user-31572041/thomas-modly-speech-on-theodore-roosevelt


UPDATE: Modly has offered his resignation to SECDEF
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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He was HIGHLY inappropriate... For a civilian political appointee to address a crowd of service members and shit talk a Commissioned Officer? It's low class at best.
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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The irony is not lost upon me. First, he fires the Captain because the letter went outside "normal, secure" channels, and then Modly makes comments that are derogative and done outside "normal, secure" channels, and now his head is being asked for.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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I like how NIPR is suddenly not a "normal, secure" channel... Since when?
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SFC Michael Hasbun - Since they got egg on the face
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LCDR Joshua Gillespie
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No, they were not. Personally, I think Captain Crozier is the sort of officer who would likely fly his Hornet on one engine into the Valley of Death to drop ordnance and save lives... he's a good man. I still think what he did was technically wrong and worthy of censure, if not the firing he received. There are things you do, and things you don't do... and ways to fall on one's sword that minimize the collateral damage. What the acting SECNAV did after the fact may have been worse, however... much worse. The Sailors on the TR love Crozier for sticking his neck out for them... they should. There's not amount of "tough talk" that's likely to change that... nor should "Big Navy" try. Get the new Skipper on board, let him take the reigns, move on. Oh, and stand and deliver on the assistance that was indicated to be in the works at the time of the original incident. Do that, and the SECNAV "proves" the justification for Crozier's dismissal; do it not... and all you prove is that he may have had a point.
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SGT Herbert Bollum
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Also he should know as does any leader that you PRAISE in public, CRITICIZE in private.
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Were NAVSEC Modly's comments to the crew of the USS Roosevelt appropriate? If not, what actions should be taken?
CAPT Kevin B.
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Several things went askew. The original communications outside the CoC, the unauthorized publicized video of the departure, and the awfully poor choice of words by SECNAV. The brutal truth is SECNAV was essentially correct. The problem is publically rubbing noses in it. Dirty laundry never airs nicely outside the fenceline. The loss of confidence was driven by a lapse in judgement and lack of understanding of the consequences. Seen it before. As the TR Skipper was passed over for Flag twice and had to be out within a year, it's anyone's guess if he went into martyr mode. Unfortunately, with my 42 years total rattling around the Navy (32 in uniform), the ability to work the public/internal interface has frequently been abysmal. I too had my fights with the Flags, but always kept it private.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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Very well put CAPT and I agree completely.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
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Although he is responsible either way,it will be interesting to see if it was sent over an open circuit intentionally and intercepted or over secure circuit and it was leaked by someone.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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I'm more interested in what's up with the Flag sitting right down the passageway on the TR (Group Commander) and upline. I've seen too many of these clusters in my time.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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SSG Carlos Madden - PR stunt gone awry... I'm sure the desired and resulting end states were radically different.
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SSG Carlos Madden
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SFC Michael Hasbun - Welp! It doesn't matter now. He offered to resign
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
SCPO Jason McLaughlin
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I find it ironic that OPSEC was even mentioned as the plight of the ship was all over Open Source Media. And, in his letter the Captain specifically calls out the fact that if required the ship could conduct its mission.
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper
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SSG Carlos Madden - At a cost of about $250K????? Adding insult to injury.
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TSgt David Holman
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That is an emphatic no. It shows all of the acting SECNAVs subordinates (which is technically two branches of the military) that he can't be trusted. He has now lost all credibility as a leader in their eyes since it shows that even if he does the right thing, he will gloat about it and throw them under the bus. It also destroys morale at a time when it is probably most crucial, specifically to those sailors. I am not going to defend the actions of the captain in question, nor am I going to say that a reasonable person in his position wouldn't take similar steps to take care of their people, however, I will say that a long hard look should be taken at the position of the acting SECNAV.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Look he is a civilian appointee, only the POTUS can fire him. Inappropriate for saying that a flippin CPT (COL) violated regulations, OPSEC and everything else that Intell lives for by sending a email to anyone who was not cleared for it or in his direct chain of command, plus didn't send it classified??? My God folks, if a Brigade Commander announced on the news that the Bde in A-stan, was 75% combat effective/sick.couldn't do its mission, just what the hell would the Taliban do- go home or hit us damn hard!. He wasn't fired for taking care of his people, but for voilating damn near every security regulation in the book, Yes he's fired, probably have to retire, but thats better than a COURTS MARTIAL which is the other choice.
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SSG Carlos Madden
SSG Carlos Madden
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How about in the forum he said it in and to the audience he directed it to?
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SGM Bill Frazer
SGM Bill Frazer
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SSG Carlos Madden You miss the point, rught or wrong omly the POTUS can do anything about it, what we think is meaninglessness
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SSG Carlos Madden His choice of words was insulting and demeaning. By violating the cardinal leadership/management principle of "praise in public, criticize in private" he has had a severe negative impact on the credibility of the most senior management of the Navy. He needs to resign, or be quietly dismissed.
He needed to understand what the name Crozier means - a bishop's staff/symbol of authority derived from the shepherd's crook. The shepherd used the crook to protect his flock from marauders, which is what Capt Crozier did. Protect his flock from the invisible marauders, and from bureaucratic delay.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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While I disagree with CAPT Crozier's actions (transmissions of combat capabilities via unsecured channels to multiple recipients), what Modly did was low brow, unprofessional, and beneath the dignity of the position he was holding. Were I holding the office of POTUS, I would have bounced Modly by close of business the same day he made the comments.

Were I to be SECNAV, at first I said I would have removed Crozier. After more thought and reflection, I'd have probably pulled him in for a private conversation, given appropriate verbal chastisement, shook his hand, and sent him back to work. Depending on details not made public, MIGHT have quietly removed him without fanfare at a later inconspicuous manner.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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LTC Joe Anderson (Taz or Joe since I - The more I'm learning about the situation, the more I'm agreeing the firing was justified. I wasn't sure given the "behind the scenes" information I am not a participant in. As it turns out, it does seem more and more like Modly was justified in removing the CAPT. At first glance, I thought he had only CC'd "a few" people. It's been revealed he copied as many as 30 people outside his immediate leadership chain. For a senior officer to make that big of a mistake definitely calls into question his ability to be in a command billet. I've also been told by some of my Navy contacts this wasn't the first incident of the CAPT displaying poor judgement. I can't independently verify at this time but it would certainly explain Modly's quick decision to remove him.
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