Posted on Jul 12, 2015
Should we have term limits for every federal government branch?
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I have a proposal for term limits for all three federal branches. But does anyone beside me think we need term limits for all branches?
Here's my proposal:
President and VP: no re-election. Simply one 6-year term. Election held every six years (starting 2016).
Supreme Court: Still appointed and confirmed, but get one 10 year term.
Senate: One 6 year term. Half elected same year as President (2016) and other half 3 years later (2019).
Representatives: One 4 year term. 1/3 of House elected every 3 years (2016, 2019, 2022).
Congress and President can run for re-election and serve ONE MORE TERM, but must stay out of the office for one full term between occupying any federal office.
Sample election cycle:
2016: President, Senate 1, House 1
2019: Senate 2, House 2
2022: President, Senate 1, House 3
2025: Senate 2, House 1
2028: President, Senate 1, House 2
2031: Senate 1, House 3
....and so on.
What do you think?
Here's my proposal:
President and VP: no re-election. Simply one 6-year term. Election held every six years (starting 2016).
Supreme Court: Still appointed and confirmed, but get one 10 year term.
Senate: One 6 year term. Half elected same year as President (2016) and other half 3 years later (2019).
Representatives: One 4 year term. 1/3 of House elected every 3 years (2016, 2019, 2022).
Congress and President can run for re-election and serve ONE MORE TERM, but must stay out of the office for one full term between occupying any federal office.
Sample election cycle:
2016: President, Senate 1, House 1
2019: Senate 2, House 2
2022: President, Senate 1, House 3
2025: Senate 2, House 1
2028: President, Senate 1, House 2
2031: Senate 1, House 3
....and so on.
What do you think?
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I have always advocated two term limits for both the house and senate. These offices have become for some lifetime positions. From my readings, do not believe that was the intent of the founding fathers.
SCOTUS term limits would be disastrous. We don't need volatility in the courts, we need consistency. The only reason to have term limits on the Court is to achieve an outcome that you want, but the law isn't about what one person or one group wants.
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I mostly REALLY like this proposal, it is similar to the "One Term In A Row" proposal I have advocated for quite some time. I especially like the Supreme Court limitations, and the fact that we're not paying politicians to run for office by making them take a term off between elections.
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SSG Gerhard S.
I would also be hesitant to extend the terms as this proposal suggests, mainly because the framers, deliberately had the House, in particular, elected every two years to act as a check against a populist movement, and against an entrenched Senate, or tyrannical executive.
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SSG Gerhard S.
I couldn't agree more, and would love to see the 17 th amendment nullified by a new amendment.
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SSG Gerhard S.
The 17 th was a progressive move designed to concentrate power in the Federal government at the expense of the States.
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That would be great but all those old crusty people hate change and the American people are to lazy to vote this.
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I love to talk about the constitution! With great respect sir, allow me to dissent on the matter and offer this rebuttal. The constitution does not need term limits put in. It simply needs to be put back the way it was. Originally, Senators were put in place by state legislatures, not direct election. By enacting this one thing, you would get most everthing you are after. Cronieism would become less of an issue, the administrative aspect of government would shrink, the unregulated parts of government (epa,irs,etc) would shrink. Why? Because senators would be beholden to a much smaller group of people. The needs of states would be at the forefront. This automatically affects conformation hearings for offices like the supreme court who, by the way would have a lot less to do as the senate would likely be sending a lot less their way.
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SFC (Join to see)
Indeed. The engineer creed not withstanding, I fear that neither method of repair will ever see reality short of direct state intervention. It is a rare thing for a group to give up power and money of thier own volition. And, quite frankly, the sorts of people that would are not alive today.
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I was opposed to term limits for a long time. It seemed to me that term limits were an admission that we couldn't be trusted (didn't have the common sense) to vote out those who performed poorly. Well, I've come around. It seems we can't be trusted. We don't have the common sense. What's more, I would apply the same rationale to bureaucrats. Let's limit their time at the public trough. Make them get "real" jobs after some specified time. Lastly, let's add a sunset provision to every bureaucracy. What has NASA done lately. For a fraction of what it costs us today, they once put a man on the moon. Their mission was accomplished. What good are they now?
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CPT Alan W.
Spirit, Opportunity, Curiosity, New Horizons, Hubble, Cassini... NASA is doing a lot of real science and on a shoe string. The cost estimate for Apollo in 2010 dollars is around $100 Billion, NASA 2015 budget is a little less than $20 Billion, which includes the James Webb Telescope. Please pick on a different agency, NASA is actually doing something positive.
I agree with you on term limits, I was skeptical, but now career politicians expend all of their energy raising money and getting re-elected, vs. governing.
I agree with you on term limits, I was skeptical, but now career politicians expend all of their energy raising money and getting re-elected, vs. governing.
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COL Ted Mc
CPT Jack Durish - Captain; Why not try something along the lines of "The incumbent can run for re-election but they must receive a higher percentage of the vote than they received in the last election otherwise all the ballots cast for them are irrevocably deemed "Spoiled" and not considered in deciding who DID get elected."?
That way, if you have a good, hardworking, effective, Representative or Senator they can continue serving as long as they continue to increase the trust that their electorate has in them.
I'd even take it one step further and say that any popular vote higher than 60% is to be deemed to be "a higher percentage of the vote than they received in the last election". [This prevents someone who "only" has 75% of the electorate who want them as their Representative/Senator from losing the election because they got 76% of the popular vote the last time. It also would keep someone who only got 13% of the popular vote from being elected.]
That way, if you have a good, hardworking, effective, Representative or Senator they can continue serving as long as they continue to increase the trust that their electorate has in them.
I'd even take it one step further and say that any popular vote higher than 60% is to be deemed to be "a higher percentage of the vote than they received in the last election". [This prevents someone who "only" has 75% of the electorate who want them as their Representative/Senator from losing the election because they got 76% of the popular vote the last time. It also would keep someone who only got 13% of the popular vote from being elected.]
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I have long believed we should institute a " ONE TERM IN-A-ROW" policy. If in office, you cannot run for that office twice in a row. You can take a term off, then run for that office again... But no two terms in a row. ... No seniority, no taxpayer funded pension, or retiree health care. Oh... And if you want to run, for a different office you have to resign your currently held office. We shouldn't be paying politicians to run for new office, while neglecting their current office. Interested in your thoughts... Regards
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ENS (Join to see) - The problem with short term limits . . . is organizations like the Congress need some form of institutional memory ( older established politicians ) or the organization becomes feeble and weak . . . like a parent with Alzheimer's . . . and the organization will shrivel up and die at the hands of competing organizations . . . like an overarching dominant presidency determined to do whatever it wants to do. Sandy :)
SSG Gerhard S.
I would respectfully disagree with the idea of institutional memory in our Politicians. That memory is already in place through the bureaucratic machine that remain in place regardless who is in office. Getting rid of the entrenched political class in DC would only serve to stymie the special interest groups, and would also leave Congress with MORE reason to act as a check as intended by our Constitution, and to resist a dominant Executive, as those in Congress won't have the anvil of needing to get re-elected hanging above their heads. Great arguments, Sandy, Regards.
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SSG Gerhard S. - Here is the problem . . . by setting strict congressional term limits you eviscerate the long term institutional memory of the congress . . . while leaving the executive and judiciary senior executives and civil service with fully intact long term multi generational institutional memories . . . leaving the congress essentially defenseless in arguments with the other two branches of government. Not so good idea. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
SSG Gerhard S.
1LT Sandy Annala - I understand your argument, and it's a good one. I would only suggest that regardless the collective memory of our sometimes, seemingly perpetual political class in Congress, they still behave as if they're paralyzed, and defenseless against the Executive, and the Judicial branch as well. Far too much power and over-reach has been concentrated in the Executive branch, and to a degree in the Judicial as well. Meanwhile Congress appears to be ever more apprehensive regarding their role as a check against both. Needing to get re-elected, every 2, 4, or 6 years means the political class is too invested in spending money they don't have, and writing checks against the futures of our children, and grand children's labors. It also means long term, and profitable associations are fostered with special interest groups making them even more entrenched, and obligated to those groups. I can only observe that what we have now simply isn't working, and perhaps taking away that need to get re-elected every election, might give those in congress the cajones to do their job and act as a balance through the power of the purse, Congressional oversight, and Supreme Court confirmations. Thanks for your thoughtful comments, always great to converse with you.
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