Posted on Nov 23, 2013
LTC Jason Bartlett
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I think most miss the intent of the APFT in the first place, however I think it would be interesting to read what people think about having one standard APFT across the services. Just to be clear If I had my way I would have separate standards for different MOS's so this question would not be relevant :)
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CSM Mike Maynard
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If the purpose of a Physical Fitness Assessment is to determine capability/capacity, then there should be one standard. Not separate standards for gender or age.

I should have to have a certain level of strength, agility and stamina no matter my age or sex.

Until each service comes up with a unilateral standard, talking about unilateral standards across services is a bridge too far.
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SFC Training Nco
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Now we are working with other services with joint operations and the number of installations becoming Joint bases, it makes sense to have a standard PT Test for all services. PT is not only exercising. It is also comradre
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CSM Mike Maynard
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SSG Williams - we don't have a common uniform, a common records brief, common promotion system, etc - there is very little that actually spans across all services.

A common Physical Assessment is a long way off.

Now, I will agree that doing Physical Training with other units/services does foster relationship building and I am all for that. I have one of my units that conducts Physical Training with the Air Force occasionally since we operate on an Air Base.
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SPC Timothy Carruthers
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I believe that a common PT test for all branches would not be difficult to accomplish. I do think though that it really depends on the MOS. For example Infantrymen should have a higher expectation for PT scores compared to say a Cook. Also due to environmental reasons Navy should have a different expectation from the Army because the Navy works in a different environment from the Army. So even though it would be possible to have a common equal PT requirement in all branches I believe how it is set up now is acceptable
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Sgt Jason Tanner
Sgt Jason Tanner
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I agree with SPC Timothy Carruthers. Would a standard set for am Air Force engine mechanic be appropriate for a Marine artilleryman? I can't speak for the other services, but when I was in we had a standard PT requirement for ALL MARINES, be it cook or infantry. I don't believe that a standardized PT requirement for all services would work. I standardized PT test would if each branch was allowed to set a minimum passing criterion for their branch. Should an Air Force cook in Kansas be required to meet the same standard as a Army/Marine infantryman in Afghanistan?
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Wouldn't think the Air Force, Navy, Marines and Coast Guard would want an ARMY Physical Fitness Test (APFT)  :)

Furthermore, can't think the benefit of standardizing a cross-service physical fitness test.  We are separate services for a reason.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Agree SGM Matthew Quick the Marines would never agree to cutting down their standard test to Army standards.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Those pull-ups and 3-mile can break many off, CMDCM Gene Treants!
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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SGM Matthew Quick I have no doubt of that. One of the reasons I retired at 30 was the PT was getting difficult. And one of the reasons I joined the Navy was sleeping in a bed almost every night and mostly hot meals. (Okay - call me a wuss!)
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SFC Drill Sergeant
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Different APFT standards and exercises for different MOS's within one service would make more sense than trying to standardize one test for all jobs in all services. Does it really make sense that the APFT for an Infantryman is the same as the APFT for a guy who sits at a desk working on a computer every day? It's either too easy for one, or unnecessarily hard for the other, or both.
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Sir, I don't think services or MOSes.....Each have a different mission.  I do think APFTs are important.  What is the intent of the APFT?  Is it to show your command your Physical Fitness Level?
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Physical readiness training is a mandatory training requirement because it is -

- Considered by senior leaders to be essential to individual, unit, and force readiness
- Required by law for all individuals and units
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