Posted on Mar 18, 2017
Is it socially acceptable to enhance your uniform for a military ball?
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I double dog dare you to walk into that Military Ball with an orange bow tie while wearing your ASU's. Hell, I triple dog dare you.
For someone who has a "P" and you ask this question.....I am utterly amazed. But to stress what 1LT (Join to see) said, AR 670-1 says NO GO. I can guarantee that if you modified your uniform like that for any kind of function, then you would NOT have that "P" for much longer. I even dare say that your probably wouldn't be a SPC for much longer, as well.
For someone who has a "P" and you ask this question.....I am utterly amazed. But to stress what 1LT (Join to see) said, AR 670-1 says NO GO. I can guarantee that if you modified your uniform like that for any kind of function, then you would NOT have that "P" for much longer. I even dare say that your probably wouldn't be a SPC for much longer, as well.
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SGT (Join to see)
I have been to balls where people wear their branch colors... Up and down the chain...
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LTC Stephan Porter
I thought your response was overly critical. At dining-ins especially this is done across all branches.
After the formal proteins igniter balls I’ve seen senior officers and enlisted dance without their jacket and a custome made shirt with crazy sleeves.
This question is not out of the norm.
After the formal proteins igniter balls I’ve seen senior officers and enlisted dance without their jacket and a custome made shirt with crazy sleeves.
This question is not out of the norm.
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LTC Stephan Porter
True CPT Michael Barden, my comments in support are only at a dining in. I’ve not seen the bow tie color change, but heard of it.
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I think the SPC(P) is getting responses that are overly harsh. I say that because there is a kernal of truth in his question. Yes, all that type stuff is unauthorized by the regs. But also yes, I have been to many military functions where field artillery officers wore red socks, red suspendrs and sometimes red bow ties, as well as the Order of St Barbara medals. So it's not like "enhancement" never happens and is always wrong.
For the artillery crowd, those items are normally worn only at artillery hosted events, like if there was a Division Artillery Ball or an artillery battalion dining in or dinng out. I've also seen the attached artillery officers wear that to their infantry battalion functions. Each time it was authorized by the commander hosting the event. So I can see hiw a young soldier would hear about those events and wonder if they apply to their branch. Now, I've never heard of a commo person wearing orange the way artillery wears red. But maybe they started that tradition after I got out, for commo unit events.
But definitely they aren't worn for generic military functions vs a branch specific function. I think it was smart for this poster to ask. Better safe than sorry.
For the artillery crowd, those items are normally worn only at artillery hosted events, like if there was a Division Artillery Ball or an artillery battalion dining in or dinng out. I've also seen the attached artillery officers wear that to their infantry battalion functions. Each time it was authorized by the commander hosting the event. So I can see hiw a young soldier would hear about those events and wonder if they apply to their branch. Now, I've never heard of a commo person wearing orange the way artillery wears red. But maybe they started that tradition after I got out, for commo unit events.
But definitely they aren't worn for generic military functions vs a branch specific function. I think it was smart for this poster to ask. Better safe than sorry.
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LTC (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) - yeah, I remember at a bde dining in where we all took off our Blues jackets, even though it's against the regs. Of course, that's because we moved all the tables to the side of the Ft Bragg Oclub ballroom, and the brooms and cabbage heads came out as we played broom hockey. The bde cdr hurt his shoulder getting body checked into the fireplace by a group of LTs, a ceiling fan was broken by a high stick (broom) and our S3 broke his leg in the competition to see who could hurdle the most dining room chairs lined up in the hallway. And maybe some officers even had more than two beers. But that was a very different time.
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Completely agree. There's nothing wrong with little pride in your branch. I have attended a few balls where the attendees wore branch-specific suspenders at least. However, unless its a Signal Ball and specifically authorized, I would stay with the standard uniform.
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SGM Joel Cook
I was a 31U Signaleer then transitioned to 25X on my last NCOER when I retired. I have never been to a Signal Ball where orange socks, ties, or suspenders were worn. However I was a 1SG of a Field Artillary Battery at Fort Sill, OK circa 1998. There at the Field Artillary Ball if you showed up without all of the above you were chastised. While I was in 1 Cav DIVARTY circa 1984-1990, under then COL Tommy Franks, at Fort Hood, TX one Warrant officer showed up pretty drunk, to the FA Ball with these red items on and he was told to leave and go change them out immediately. So I guess it just depends who the ranking Officer present at the Ball is and what they accept, expect, like, or demand as far as uniform appearance.
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I concur, I recall an installation CG wearing red suspenders, as did several at the head table during an Army Ball. He was an Engineer. Although GOs have the latitude, I'm sure he authorized it for the others.
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You want to ignore uniform regs around military members more senior than you? Maybe I'm old school, but that seems like dropping your pants and mooning leadership!
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
It's probably best to don't be "that Guy" because things likely won't go that well for you later on. You are supposed to go there and have a good time, you don't want it coming back and haunting you later because it can and quite often does. When in doubt, it's in the regs... Just saying...
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
Seriously... it isn't college, and these kind of pranks need to stay back there.. time to grow up, is it any wonder why you still are where you are?... jus' sayin'...
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SSgt Boyd Herrst - Please explain who you're talking to and what you're talking about.
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If you're junior especially, it's very important not to tickle the Dragon. An exception would be if it is accepted custom upline. That would be rather rare, except for AF, where the Zipper Suited Sun Gods exhibit more variability. In the Seabees, a tartan was created and registered. So if you wore the tartan cumberbund and bow tie in lieu of the gold crumb catcher and black tie, it wasn't a big deal. I remember going to an Army Engineer Ball as a guest and made a big noise about how the 3 Star was out of uniform. Seems he was previously made an Honorary Seabee over in the Sandbox. We had the MSGT remove his boring Army tie and it was properly replaced with great fanfare by a Seabee Tartan bow tie. It demonstrated the "Good of both Corps". That said, the about the only time you'll see "authorized" variability is when you're respected enough to have it bestowed on you.
Back in the day, we'd have custom white tux shirts embroidered with dragons, crushed Soviet flags, etc. on the back. They were totally hidden until the head table departed, the music shifted colors for the younger crowd, and we took our jackets off. But that was when we had real balls. The senior types around will understand. Bottom line, being junior and different is like being the long necked turkey around Thanksgiving. Best to avoid the axe.
Back in the day, we'd have custom white tux shirts embroidered with dragons, crushed Soviet flags, etc. on the back. They were totally hidden until the head table departed, the music shifted colors for the younger crowd, and we took our jackets off. But that was when we had real balls. The senior types around will understand. Bottom line, being junior and different is like being the long necked turkey around Thanksgiving. Best to avoid the axe.
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MSgt James Mullis
USAF Pilots in Korea use to buy party suit mess dress jackets that were normal on the outside, but had a Hawaiian shirt patterns for the lining, strictly for Dining-Ins and not Dining-Outs. FYI: In my picture I''m wearing the Air Force Tartan bow tie.
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If AR 670-1 states its unauthorized, you'd need clearance from the chain of command. Signaleer to signaleer, the best way to enhance that ASU for the Signal Corps would be go for the Bronze Order of Mercury.
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Lot of angry people here who've never heard of Ball Shirts before... it's been a tradition for decades...
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SSG (Join to see)
Sergeant, although my question has angered a lot of people... this is the exact reason why I asked.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
The arms are hidden from view, you can wear hearts on your skivvies too. But you cant hide that orange bow tie.
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Why is anyone from any other service even responding? I have been to balls where Artillery men had their "Red Legs" and it WAS acceptable. Spus and Stetson are not authorized, but more than welcome in the Cavalry Units. If you want advice on whether you can wear orange socks and bow tie, contact your chain of command.
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SSG (Join to see) If you peer closely at my photograph, that is not a T-shirt showing at the neck of my cotton fatigues. It was an Orange Scarf! As the mission in Korea was winding down in 1954, the 'command' fretted that we young Soldiers required excessive BS, harassment, twice weekly haircuts - by a Korean with hand clippers, after he had a lunch of well aged Kimchee - that wearing Orange Scarves would keeps us on edge and inside the wire. The scarves were to be worn everywhere, excepting inside the 4 holer, or while on a telephone pole! No more Orange for me in my lifetime!
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CSM Charles Hayden
SGT Philip Roncari Was it the Orange Scarf? The ‘heat’ was on!
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Tite blankets, ice cold showers up the canyon-or a dusty ride to an Engineer, somewhere, in the rear of a ‘deuce’ and then receiving DX uniforms with Miticide. LTC (Join to see) LTC Stephen C. SGT Philip Roncari SGT (Join to see) SGT (Join to see) SN Greg Wright SGT Thomas Lucken The canvas cot’s mosquito netting frame could be a nuisance later in the evenings. SFC William Farrell SPC Gary Welch Cynthia Croft PO1 William "Chip" Nagel CW5 Jack Cardwell Capt Dwayne Conyers
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I hope you like grog, young man, because the Vice will rake you over the coals hard if you show up wearing such nonsense to an official military function.
But that pales in comparison to what your NCOs will have for you afterwards.
Don't do it.
Just... don't.
But that pales in comparison to what your NCOs will have for you afterwards.
Don't do it.
Just... don't.
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Top, I understand the regs, I really do, but as I mentioned to someone else before... what is the difference between wearing what I said and Soldiera wearing their Stetsons in doors (even while they are no longer part of that unit) and wearing the party shirts underneath the coat? I'm just asking out of curiosity.
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1SG (Join to see)
SSG (Join to see) - Well Stetsons are a tradition in the cavalry... they are a strange breed and do funny things - but that will be laid out in the rules of the mess.
I know that you are asking a serious question and I do not take it that you're looking to be a rabble-rouser. Hell, you want to wear your branch color. What I'd suggest is that there are a number of arcane rules that are authorized that you can take advantage of, such as officers can wear a goofy cape if they desire. Find one that is legit and then rock that. See SGT (Join to see)'s suggestion for a good example.
An orange bowtie however will only bring you pain.
I know that you are asking a serious question and I do not take it that you're looking to be a rabble-rouser. Hell, you want to wear your branch color. What I'd suggest is that there are a number of arcane rules that are authorized that you can take advantage of, such as officers can wear a goofy cape if they desire. Find one that is legit and then rock that. See SGT (Join to see)'s suggestion for a good example.
An orange bowtie however will only bring you pain.
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SSG (Join to see)
Thank you Top! You said arcane rules...any specific place to check for these? Or is it just one of those things passed down that's overlooked?
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1SG (Join to see)
SSG (Join to see) - First place I'd start is with your Regimental Association. They'll have resources for wizbangs unique to the SC. Most of the oddball things that you see in a military ball have something to do with Regimental flourishes.
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