Posted on Jan 4, 2015
Is it "ok" to go in to a "breastaurant" in uniform?
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For the Army AR 670-1 Ch 4 para 4-3 c.(2)
"Personnel may not wear the combat uniform in off-post establishments that primarily sell alcohol. If the off-post establishment sells alcohol and food, Soldiers may not wear the combat uniform if their activities in the establishment center on the drinking of alcohol."
Additionally, service members in the combat uniform will not sit at the bar
area of a restaurant where the primary purpose of the bar is the selling of alcohol.
Hooters is a restaurant, you can't ban service members from a run of the mill eating establishments without applicable reasoning. I don't particularly eat at Hooters or 'breastaurants". However if I was in invited to eat their by a friend and they're paying for everything, damn skippy I'll be there. I don't turn down free food!
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***For clarification, I have never ate at such an establishment while in uniform during duty/off duty hours. For me it projects the wrong image. You might have caught me at a Golden Corral or at Chipotople for lunch but not a place like Hooters.
"Personnel may not wear the combat uniform in off-post establishments that primarily sell alcohol. If the off-post establishment sells alcohol and food, Soldiers may not wear the combat uniform if their activities in the establishment center on the drinking of alcohol."
Additionally, service members in the combat uniform will not sit at the bar
area of a restaurant where the primary purpose of the bar is the selling of alcohol.
Hooters is a restaurant, you can't ban service members from a run of the mill eating establishments without applicable reasoning. I don't particularly eat at Hooters or 'breastaurants". However if I was in invited to eat their by a friend and they're paying for everything, damn skippy I'll be there. I don't turn down free food!
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***For clarification, I have never ate at such an establishment while in uniform during duty/off duty hours. For me it projects the wrong image. You might have caught me at a Golden Corral or at Chipotople for lunch but not a place like Hooters.
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SSG Donny Martin
Eat where you choose as long as the image portrayed isn't a negative one. The problem is we live in a generation that is so easily offended that you never know whats next. I think the new thing is that certain groups are offended by men with beards. With that clearly out of the way lets address the issue. Hooters has a reputation for what nudity no, drugs, no prostitution no. The images that is negative one is that of a soldier starring in a manner that all young men use, that portrays a demeaning or degrading attitude toward the young lady this is what you should avoid. I personally went home and had lunch with my wife and daughter.
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SSG Cecil Stroud Jr.
Don’t be a little woke bitch. What has the military turned into? I know now retiring in 2007 was the right choice.
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Chicken Strip-Club.
Kay Eff See-Through.
McDoubleDees.
Okay. I've added this to my vocabulary, TSgt Joshua Copeland, and my list for future business plans. Thanks.
Kay Eff See-Through.
McDoubleDees.
Okay. I've added this to my vocabulary, TSgt Joshua Copeland, and my list for future business plans. Thanks.
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SPC(P) Jay Heenan
Hmmm, that is to bad SGT (Join to see). I am going through a MEB and will be relocating to Kentucky. Do you think those country folks (no offense to my Southern brothers and sisters) are ready for that?
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NO, IT IS NOT OK TO EAT AT A “BREASTAURANT” WHILE IN UNIFORM.
Reasons why:
1. It is arguably a violation of Army Regulation 670-1, that expressly forbids eating in an establishment in uniform where the primary activity is drinking. You can eat there, you can even have a beer, but if your activity is to drink beer and ogle, you are wrong.
2. Perception. A whole lot of people will take notice that a uniformed Soldier – we do stick out – is patronizing an establishment of this type. This brings potential discredit to the uniformed service, and as such is wrong.
3. It is hard for me to imagine that this was a pit stop “to and from” military duty. If you are not performing a military duty, you shouldn’t generally be in uniform. See #2.
I am not here to legislate your morality, but by God if you bring discredit upon my unit due to your determination to do something that is questionable at best, I have a spate of quality corrective training to help you get your head screwed on straight.
Reasons why:
1. It is arguably a violation of Army Regulation 670-1, that expressly forbids eating in an establishment in uniform where the primary activity is drinking. You can eat there, you can even have a beer, but if your activity is to drink beer and ogle, you are wrong.
2. Perception. A whole lot of people will take notice that a uniformed Soldier – we do stick out – is patronizing an establishment of this type. This brings potential discredit to the uniformed service, and as such is wrong.
3. It is hard for me to imagine that this was a pit stop “to and from” military duty. If you are not performing a military duty, you shouldn’t generally be in uniform. See #2.
I am not here to legislate your morality, but by God if you bring discredit upon my unit due to your determination to do something that is questionable at best, I have a spate of quality corrective training to help you get your head screwed on straight.
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SGT James LeFebvre
1SG, I do disagree with you, AR 670-1 (15 Sep 14) specifically states: "4–3. Occasions for wear: (2) Personnel may not wear the combat uniform in off-post establishments that primarily sell alcohol. If the off-post establishment sells alcohol and food, Soldiers may not wear the combat uniform if their activities in the establishment
center on the drinking of alcohol."
In the example I stated, the Soldier in question is NOT drinking alcohol, is merely eating lunch. (Let's say drinking water for the example) In this case, the Soldier in question may eat lunch there and if you suggest they shouldn't more than once, then you are potentially harassing the Soldier.
I didn't make it in the Army without acquiring wisdom and knowledge either.
center on the drinking of alcohol."
In the example I stated, the Soldier in question is NOT drinking alcohol, is merely eating lunch. (Let's say drinking water for the example) In this case, the Soldier in question may eat lunch there and if you suggest they shouldn't more than once, then you are potentially harassing the Soldier.
I didn't make it in the Army without acquiring wisdom and knowledge either.
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CPT (Join to see)
So what about going to Applebee's or Buffalo Wild Wings for lunch? When I was active duty my commander bought us lunch at Hooter's every Wednesday. We'd drink sweet tea or whatever and half the time some other party (civilian) would buy our meals and we wouldn't know who they were. Strip clubs, heck no, that's not acceptable.
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1SG (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see), while I can see the ambiguity there, I think that the reputations of BW3 and Applebee's is sizably different.
Again, to reiterate, do not wear your uniform - representing the Army - in a manner that could bring discredit to the service. I do not think this is hard, people.
Again, to reiterate, do not wear your uniform - representing the Army - in a manner that could bring discredit to the service. I do not think this is hard, people.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
What's legal and whats unseemly and distasteful are two different things. So why would anyone choose to go to these places in uniform? You have a choice , go change first. There's nothing wrong with Hooters, but I don't expect to ever see a young man or woman there in uniform either.
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I'm going to say no. If it is commonly referred to as a "breast"aurant...I think common sense prevails here. Put any inappropriate workplace conversation noun in the front of "aurant" and you should come to the same conclusion.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
COL (Join to see), as a Commander, would you institute a unit policy forbidding it now that this topic has come up and it appears that there is not a service level regulation forbidding it given that their is one such establishment right up the road on I5?
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COL (Join to see)
Nope. That's an installation level decision. Well above my pay grade. It has ramifications that go beyond my own moral opinion on the subject. It is my job to enforce my policies within my footprint. The BDE CDR has more space. The Division Commander, etc...all the way to the post Commander. He's the one who makes those kinds of decisions. Ask me again in 15 years if someone makes multiple bad calls and makes me a 3 star general.
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COL (Join to see)
Now, I'll go there in civilian clothes. Not against the restaurants in question in general, but I'm not going to go there as a representative of the Army.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I would say service members are always a representative of the Army. So whether you are wearing civilian clothes or not doesn’t matter. But I understand your perspective. There are regulations, morals, values, and appearances. Going to Hooters maybe acceptable under regulations but going’s in uniform isn’t the best moral judgement and the right appearance.
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Even if SMs are technically able to wear their uniforms to a place like Hooters, they absolutely should not. No way.
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What I want to really know, is how come there aren't restaurants where male servers run around in ranger panties serving food? I'd be there everyday.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
Military theme - Ranger Dick's or Major Wood's
Automotive - Rod and Bearings
Scottish - Tented Kilt or The Bonnie Scotsman
Biblical - Oholibah's Amore
There are some really good names out there... of course, now that don't ask, don't tell has been lifted, one of these could give hooters a run for the money...
Automotive - Rod and Bearings
Scottish - Tented Kilt or The Bonnie Scotsman
Biblical - Oholibah's Amore
There are some really good names out there... of course, now that don't ask, don't tell has been lifted, one of these could give hooters a run for the money...
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Cpl Peter Martuneac
I would work at a place like that in a heartbeat. I'm already a waiter and I actually enjoy that, but being a waiter AND get to wear silkies? I'd never quit.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
Cpl Peter Martuneac
I understand that waitstaff gets a free gym membership and discounts at bodybuilding.com to help keep the cut...
I understand that waitstaff gets a free gym membership and discounts at bodybuilding.com to help keep the cut...
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We represent our Service and our Country, and I do not feel that it is in good taste. Do I have a problem with those establishments no, but the issue is the perception from the public seeing a service member or for that matter any uniformed public service member in those establishments.
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If you wouldn't take your Grandmother/Mother-in-law/daughter to eat there, you probably shouldn't be wearing your uniform there, regardless of how good the cherry pie is.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
CW2 Joseph Evans, to be fair, both my mother and MIL have TAKEN me to hooters before.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
TSgt Joshua Copeland
4th of July, Mom, apple pie, and American sons and daughters in uniform. Traditional American values replaced by modern American values. None of these mean the same to everyone these days, let alone what they meant to Americans 40 years ago. But kudos to your mother and MIL helping those struggling young women to afford clothes. ;)
4th of July, Mom, apple pie, and American sons and daughters in uniform. Traditional American values replaced by modern American values. None of these mean the same to everyone these days, let alone what they meant to Americans 40 years ago. But kudos to your mother and MIL helping those struggling young women to afford clothes. ;)
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I don't care if the public doesn't want to see mil members at these establishments. I don't care if these members want some food while pretty girls serve it to them. As long as the soldier is behaving him/herself in public, who are we to take away more from them. I know we are held to a higher standard. So do they. So does everyone. That's why this is even coming up. If two soldiers were being harassed at hooters by a group and they stood up bravely to defend themselves, which led into an altercation, they would receive an article 15 and leadership would try to push them out of the army. We ask these soldiers to be brave, we tell these soldiers to be proud, we teach these soldiers to fight for what's right, we demand these soldiers to be cowards when they are pushed to their limits. This is a true story. Two soldiers were at hooters. A group of drunk belligerent men started talking smack to them because one of the waitreses was giving more attention to these guys. The waitress happened to be married to one of them. The soldiers were not drinking. The belligerent men approached and started taunting them. The two soldiers ended up fighting those guys. Cops came and released the soldiers to their command. They were not even charged. The military leaders thought these soldiers were representing the Amy in a bad manner and punished them for it. I seriously don't get it. I want these kids to be honest and honorable and brave. Yet they can't stand up when a drunk wants to call them names and physical push them. Did we really want them to turn the other cheek?
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MSG (Join to see)
doesnt work James. what does work is to ge tthe company commander to write up a letter of reprimand at the company level. see, that is formal punishment. they cant seek further punishment thereafter. now a days, your way of retraining the soldier would not suffice and the BN Command or higher gets involved in everything. almost like micromanaging. not all, but some. i like the leaders that admit to making mistakes themselves. those guys are usually a little more lenient to mistakes.
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I wouldn't, but then again I don't go to places like that for personal reasons. I am married and have daughters, no one is as sexy as my Wife nor as precious as my girls. Another reason I don't go is "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
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