Posted on Dec 13, 2013
If you had a choice, which uniform pattern/style would you want to wear?
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If you had a choice, which uniform pattern/style would you want to wear?<div><br></div><div><span style="color: rgb(44, 44, 44); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;">This year, the Joint Staff’s top enlisted adviser, Marine Sgt. Maj. Bryan Battaglia, said the mix of uniforms makes the U.S. military look like a “Baskin-Robbins” and signaled his support for a common uniform.<br></span><br><span style="color: rgb(44, 44, 44); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;">But Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos recently said preserving the Corps’ MARPAT pattern is a top priority and declared that his service will stick to it “like a hobo to a ham sandwich.”</span><br></div>
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I think the MARPAT is a good example of getting it right the first time.
As far as Multicam goes last time I checked (which is too long ago to recall accurately) the US4CES traditional was out performing Multicam.
I could be mistaken of course, but I was surprised to here that US4CES got the axe.
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Historically we in the military have worn the same combat uniform or something very close. We let our dress uniforms be our difference. I say we go with what has worked for generations, OD Green is the answer.
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I would say OCP as well. The FRAC versions look dingy but the Garrison version looks great and has all the positive benefits of the current ACU (minus the poor pattern). What is so funny about the Commandants statement is that for more than 20 years we ALL wore the same uniform (BDUs), so why now are we all up in arms about being so different from our fellow services? Our Unit patches, ranks, and Name Tapes are enough to make that distinction. We have our Service Dress Uniforms to make us all feel special. I'd go with the OCP, bottom-line, it works.
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Sir, They are all grabage uniforms as far as utilitarian vakue and quality, whether UCP (digital) or OCP (multicam); and from the ground war-fighters percepective, they have very few positive benefits over the BDUs. Zippers and velcro on a combat uniform are a terrible idea. The lighter weight material is worthless and rips or falls apart within the first five minutes outside the wire, they fit like giant trash bags and look just as good and because they have so much space built in we now have more soldiers in the field with chaffing issues. The only improvements are the shoulder and calf pockets. With the OCP uniforms the put the buttons back on the cargo pockets and made tehm bgger again - good! Chest pockets are still small and useless (esp if you were a small/anything), velcro wears out and is noisy, we can't fix the stupid zipper that digs into my sternum from my body armor in the field when it breaks. These are terrible uniforms saving the multicam pattern. If we keep that pattern (and it IS good) we ned to put it on either the BDU cut & fabric or the Marpat cut & fabric.
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I would like to raise this question. There are two environments in which we as Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen work. That is combat and garrison (peacetime). I for one am honestly tired of everyone wearing a series of combat uniforms in garrison that honestly have us all looking like soup sandwiches. Weather it's the multicam, MARPAT or ACU they are unprofessional looking in a shop or garrison environment. Don't misunderstand me, they work in combat very well, but that is where they need to stay. I propose returning to the solid color fatigues for all services during normal garrison or peacetime operations (a blue collar suit if you will) to maintain a professional appearance, or if you are staff (NGB, pentagon, Division HQ, etc) then wear the service dress appropriate to that office. Combat orientated uniforms, whatever they end up choosing, should be issued for training and deployment only.By doing this it will maintain service individuality and save millions of dollars on silly uniform disputes. But most importantly it will return a certain level of pride in appearance amongst all services while at home or garrison and stop all this nonsense of people walking around in a uniform that looks like they slept in it the night before. No More Soup Sandwiches!
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I am going to disagree with you here. The costs alone with fielding and maintaining both garrison and field uniforms could be prohibitive in a time of such strong budgetary constraints. Further, the usefullness of the uniform would be a bit questionable if you were in the motor pool or potentially conducting other training while in garrison.
BDU's and MARPAT's seem to show that you can have a sharp looking uniform, that if worn properly, can demonstrate the professionalism desired. I can see where the velcro serves some funciton on the ACU's, but I miss the durability of buttons. I have a few ACU's that look rough purely because the velcro is failing and I haven't taken them in to get resewn. How many times have we seen nametapes that look like bacon, or frayed and nasty velcro? The ability to keep things more pristine and maintain them easier should be a factor in design. The BDU's were great for this, and the MARPATs seem to be close to this as well.
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I have to disagree with you too. Two utility uniforms for Desert and wooded environments is cheaper than three uniforms. We operated this way for years wearing woodland in garrison and changing to DCU as necessary. There is no need for a single color garrison uniform, that would be a waste of money.
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I got no problem with the Generals idea. I think its a good pattern for all services.
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Ripstop woodlands. Only problem with them is you had to iron 'em! That aside, they were comfortable, utilitarian and looked good.
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