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I have no idea who wrote this and I don't agree with it in its entirety, but it does provide grist for a conversation (or an argument - you decide)...
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Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge.
That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.
The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.
What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.
That's a civil war.
There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.
This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.
Your very own dictatorship.
The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.
Our system of government is based on the Constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.
If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.
But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.
When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.
The Constitution has something to say about that.
Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.
Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.
Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.
That's not a free country.
It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.
Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
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Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge.
That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.
The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.
What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.
That's a civil war.
There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.
This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.
Your very own dictatorship.
The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.
Our system of government is based on the Constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.
If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.
But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.
When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.
The Constitution has something to say about that.
Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.
Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.
Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.
That's not a free country.
It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.
Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
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So Republicans at baseball game don't matter? Interesting.
This country us ripe for civil war.
I sure the hell didn’t want Obummer but i had no choice. I did not go out and block freeway traffic or burn things
This country us ripe for civil war.
I sure the hell didn’t want Obummer but i had no choice. I did not go out and block freeway traffic or burn things
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CPT Jack,
Sir, I agree with a bit but they are not going to remove the President. At least not legally. Of course, I for one would support a civil war or at least a war against those that seem to feel that the laws of the nation dont apply and they will only enforce those that they wish. President Trump is/ was not the first POTUS to do this. President Ohbuma, President Bush (both), President Carter, President Clinton, President Kennedy, President Eisenhower and even President Roosevelt all ignored (or Did Not enforce) some laws. Do I want Americans to die? NO. Do I want things to change? Yes. Laws should be make to help people. Laws should be followed and if they need to be changed then the people should express their voice. We should not do things because the MAJORITY thinks it is "OK". Laws are Laws and should be either followed or changed. The United States of America should again be the Nation that sets the Standard for EXCELLENCE not Disgrace and Dishonor.
~ole Sarge~
Sir, I agree with a bit but they are not going to remove the President. At least not legally. Of course, I for one would support a civil war or at least a war against those that seem to feel that the laws of the nation dont apply and they will only enforce those that they wish. President Trump is/ was not the first POTUS to do this. President Ohbuma, President Bush (both), President Carter, President Clinton, President Kennedy, President Eisenhower and even President Roosevelt all ignored (or Did Not enforce) some laws. Do I want Americans to die? NO. Do I want things to change? Yes. Laws should be make to help people. Laws should be followed and if they need to be changed then the people should express their voice. We should not do things because the MAJORITY thinks it is "OK". Laws are Laws and should be either followed or changed. The United States of America should again be the Nation that sets the Standard for EXCELLENCE not Disgrace and Dishonor.
~ole Sarge~
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MSG Stan Hutchison
1SG Dennis Hicks - It was you that posted those claims. I would like to see some sources for that.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
MSG Stan Hutchison - again more of the same, pretty much what I expected, Reading comprehension is key, YOU posted these comments, that's you as in YOU. Again You said they are untrue, prove it and site it "calling" anyone anything is one of our rights.
"Now, I will address those claims you made that are not true:
" POLITICAL Figures telling folks to break the laws"
"TELLING ILLEGALS to RIOT"
"TELLING OTHERS THAT ONE RACE IS WRONG AND SHOULD BE DEAD"
I have seen no instance of any of this, ever. If you have please provide a source. If there are no facts to support a claim, then that claim must be assumed to be untrue.
And, finally, no, we are not in a civil war. Far from it. I fully expect that calmer minds will prevail and we shall continue to exist."
"Now, I will address those claims you made that are not true:
" POLITICAL Figures telling folks to break the laws"
"TELLING ILLEGALS to RIOT"
"TELLING OTHERS THAT ONE RACE IS WRONG AND SHOULD BE DEAD"
I have seen no instance of any of this, ever. If you have please provide a source. If there are no facts to support a claim, then that claim must be assumed to be untrue.
And, finally, no, we are not in a civil war. Far from it. I fully expect that calmer minds will prevail and we shall continue to exist."
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MSG Stan Hutchison
1SG Dennis Hicks - Are you just having fun? I responded to your comments from 2 days ago. I asked if you supported a civil war and you responded with this:
MSG Charles Turner
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MSG S H - I support What ever it would / does take to get America (and Americans) back to America and NOT EVERYTHING ELSE! We have Laws, if they are Not "Good" / Appropriate then CHANGE THEM THE RIGHT WAY! IF they dont meet the Standard through our Democratic Republic. Then if they fail and it SHOULD BE ACCORDINGLY DEAL WITH not the denial and calling fro Public Unrest. So WE HAVE A CIVIL WAR ALREADY! A nation of THAT Has POLITICAL Figures telling folks to break the laws, TELLING ILLEGALS to RIOT, TELLING OTHERS THAT ONE RACE IS WRONG AND SHOULD BE DEAD... That was and ALWAYS Will BE WRONG and NOT AMERICAN! So, YES I SUPPORT WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO BRINK AMERICA BACK TO LAWFULNESS... It seems That ONLY ANSWER MAY BE CIVIL WAR. And I would stand on the SIDE OF MY OATH AND SUPPORT THE US CONSTITUTION (The Same one my FRIENDS AND FAMILY HAVE SERVED AND DIED FOR FOR CENTURIES)!
I asked for sources for those claims.
MSG Charles Turner
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MSG S H - I support What ever it would / does take to get America (and Americans) back to America and NOT EVERYTHING ELSE! We have Laws, if they are Not "Good" / Appropriate then CHANGE THEM THE RIGHT WAY! IF they dont meet the Standard through our Democratic Republic. Then if they fail and it SHOULD BE ACCORDINGLY DEAL WITH not the denial and calling fro Public Unrest. So WE HAVE A CIVIL WAR ALREADY! A nation of THAT Has POLITICAL Figures telling folks to break the laws, TELLING ILLEGALS to RIOT, TELLING OTHERS THAT ONE RACE IS WRONG AND SHOULD BE DEAD... That was and ALWAYS Will BE WRONG and NOT AMERICAN! So, YES I SUPPORT WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO BRINK AMERICA BACK TO LAWFULNESS... It seems That ONLY ANSWER MAY BE CIVIL WAR. And I would stand on the SIDE OF MY OATH AND SUPPORT THE US CONSTITUTION (The Same one my FRIENDS AND FAMILY HAVE SERVED AND DIED FOR FOR CENTURIES)!
I asked for sources for those claims.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
Its not fun when I merely asked you to site your reply to MSG Turner, you still haven't done so after my multiple requests to site why MSG Turner was wrong. Using the return on investment formula if you keep answering the way you are doing your wasting my time and not answering anything.
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I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to repost this elsewhere. I'll link it to this...and give you credit for reposting it here, whatever the original source.
This is straight up awesome.
This is straight up awesome.
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CPT Jack Durish
Don't mind. I've shared discussion threads from RP on other social media because I felt they were important. I started this one on RP by copying the text from an email. The person who sent it to me didn't have any clue as to its origin. I could have altered it but felt that the points with which I wasn't as comfortable is what made it "grist for discussion (or argument)..."
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grab a pot. Put in heaping amounts of oppression, wealth and social imbalance, lack of political understanding, some salt, peppa, curry and stir until it's well overdone.
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That is one of the most slanted, biased articles I have read in a very long time.
We are all Americans.
We all love our country.
We all support and defend our system.
We are all Americans.
We all love our country.
We all support and defend our system.
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It sounds like he is trying i to incite a civil war, But if he wants to do so he needs better lies.
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Other civil wars may be due to ethnic, religious or ideological issues. Ours seems to be recurring conflict between federal government and radical conservatives...
1. Shays Rebellion: Daniel Shays, a populist Revolutionary War veteran, attacks Massachusetts state arsenal with mob of angry conservative farmers. The initial US government under Articles of Confederation stops rebellion, but struggles along the way.
2. Whiskey Rebellion: a conservative group of farmers and Revolutionary War veterans refuse to pay federal taxes or recognize Constitutional government. After being served legal papers, the group decides to violently attack home of U.S. tax officials. George Washington himself leads militia in order to disperse rebels and convince them to accept US Constitution as law.
3. US Civil War: Conservative southern states, wanting independence and maintaining legal status of slavery, secede from United States. They organize attack on U.S. military base of Fort Sumter to violently leave federal government and re-establish confederate style government.
4. Ruby Ridge: an isolationist and right-wing family, the Weavers, refuse to appear in court on federal weapons charges. FBI and ATF become involved in bloody battle in rural Idaho when family violently resists arrest.
1. Shays Rebellion: Daniel Shays, a populist Revolutionary War veteran, attacks Massachusetts state arsenal with mob of angry conservative farmers. The initial US government under Articles of Confederation stops rebellion, but struggles along the way.
2. Whiskey Rebellion: a conservative group of farmers and Revolutionary War veterans refuse to pay federal taxes or recognize Constitutional government. After being served legal papers, the group decides to violently attack home of U.S. tax officials. George Washington himself leads militia in order to disperse rebels and convince them to accept US Constitution as law.
3. US Civil War: Conservative southern states, wanting independence and maintaining legal status of slavery, secede from United States. They organize attack on U.S. military base of Fort Sumter to violently leave federal government and re-establish confederate style government.
4. Ruby Ridge: an isolationist and right-wing family, the Weavers, refuse to appear in court on federal weapons charges. FBI and ATF become involved in bloody battle in rural Idaho when family violently resists arrest.
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CPT Jack Durish
"Radical Conservatives"? No prejudice there... LOL How about a federal government grown far beyond constitutional limits (QED) and constitutional originalists. Doesn't that say it more accurately and less incendiarily?
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SPC Kevin Ford
CPT Jack Durish - Jack: "No prejudice there... LOL" ... um, have you read your own stuff? Hello pot!
Of course growing beyond its constitutional limits are a matter of opinion. An opinion not shared by the SCOTUS, the only party constitutionally enabled to have an official opinion on the matter.
Of course growing beyond its constitutional limits are a matter of opinion. An opinion not shared by the SCOTUS, the only party constitutionally enabled to have an official opinion on the matter.
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An excellent article, but to add a little bit of fuel to the fire, our republic's governship is made up of three parts of which the president is but one. So removing the president, not siding with him, not accepting him, etc, is only 1/3rd of the revolutionary's problem.
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Politicians, they are like chess players
The moves they make are geared towards getting re-elected. I would like to see one do something that they don't think about the next election
The moves they make are geared towards getting re-elected. I would like to see one do something that they don't think about the next election
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CPT Jack Durish
How about Trey Gowdy? I have often said that I wanted members of Congress who had to be dragged kicking and screaming to Washington. Well, he seems to have had enough despite having done a helluva job
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Sgt Wayne Wood
I have compared, or heard comparisons, of politicians to many things... seldom as flattering as chess players.
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The fun hasn't even started yet, no I take back the word fun, the blow back hasn't occurred yet but the pot is boiling.
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MSG Charles Turner
And I believe it is going to be like nothing this nation has seen before. I pray we make it through.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
AT our level of advancement it will be bloody, I think it would be true justice if those who are involved with escalating the destruction of this nation were to be visited by karma in its glory, they couldn't hide, they couldn't run and they couldn't talk their way out of it.
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