Posted on Oct 20, 2016
COL Lee Flemming
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Elections and our way of life in general depend upon the public's confidence. As SMs we serve to defend a constitution that has proved to be robust, interpretable and inclusive. It is a constitution that has borne a great citizen candidate in Donald Trump. But how does his thumbing his nose at the legitimacy of a system that created his candidacy serve him?
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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It's just my opinion but any time we have even ONE case of confirmed/proven fraud, then it calls into question the entire results. How many more cases were NOT detected or proven? Can we really say the results are legitimate considering just a small handful of votes in key areas can change the entire electoral college outcome (I think it was MAJ (Join to see) that pointed that out first)?
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MCPO Roger Collins
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How many general election ballots? If there is 834 million, Houston we have a problem.
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CPT Jack Durish
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Have you watched the Project Veritas reports? They are clearly demonstrating ample evidence bringing into question the legitimacy of the US election process. Watch it then reconsider your response to this question
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Voter fraud may or may not be as endemic as everyone claims, but in NO WAY will it change the overall outcome, once the delegates and super delegates of the Electoral College declare their votes for a particular candidate...

It IS quite possible to win the popular vote and still lose...
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SSG Wally Lawver
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I quite reading when I saw "Vox" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a VERY biased, anti Trump, liberal propaganda machine...One thing Trump has gotten right is , politics as usual, isnt working, and needs real change. I hear of "fear" Trump supporters are going to be intimidating voters at the polls, what a joke. If you want threats,riots,looting,and intimidation,,,,find some Hillary supporters. Liberals like the freedoms of speech and protest, BUT no responsibility or tolerance of the conservative values that made their liberal views possible............
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SSG Squad Leader
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Or does he question a system people have manipulated to their own benefit? It's hard to say!
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PO3 Nichalas Enser
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Can agree with arguments that even one case of voter fraud is grounds to do something. Most folks would agree, but the question is what to do about it.

If you want to avoid even the appearance of voter disenfranchisement, which should be just as big of a deal to those worried about voter fraud, then a national ID card is about the best, possible, remedy. The cards should be issued over a two to three year period, where the IDs will be available via mobile centers, that will visit remote locations, be made available at night and on weekends (for shift workers and such), at nursing homes, hospitals, poorer neighborhoods, richer neighborhoods, et cetera.

Voting is treated so haphazardly, it is almost funny - Federal law should cover all elections that place someone into Federal office - then, if a state or other locale wishes to use some other system for their own elections, they can bear the costs. This should apply to both primaries and general elections, both being held on one day - the primary on 08JUN and the General on 08NOV, with adequate options for early and postal voting, as long as the ID is verified. If someone appears at a polling station without their ID, a provisional ballot should be taken and then followed up to determine if the vote is legitimate.

After the initial issuance period, then, most likely, the Social Security Administration, will be charged with issuing the credential, separate from someone's SSN, as each person is issued a SSN.

The new ID would, also, help to curb the hiring of folks who should not be working or working 'off the books' or 'under the table' and if someone is on a job site (of any type) without an ID that the company appropriately registered, both the individual and the company will be held liable. Also, make the penalties for creating fake IDs quite drastic and using one, *slightly* less severe - that should help to curb most issues.

Yes, there will be a cost involved, but the card could be used for a few purposes, that currently are served by an odd combination of state, local, and Federal identification, so the benefits should outweigh the cost. Even though not the largest facing the country, takes far too much time and attention from the other, bigger problems and has a fairly simple remedy.

Fix it, now, and move along.
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Well thought out and executed, sir.
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PO3 Nichalas Enser
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - Thank you. It is just maddening that this becomes an 'issue' just before elections and then, magically, goes away until the next.

Someone with a backbone needs to introduce some, relatively simple, legislative to solve it - for everyone.

This 'wedge issue' BS is for the birds and only helps sow discord and discontent.
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Maj Security Forces
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I don't think so.

And the studies that show an extremely small number of voters cannot be correct.

I dismiss any reporting about dead people still be registered. Who care as long as they aren't voting.

There are too many reports of dead people voting. All you have to do is search "dead people voting" and read the news ports. Ok, discount any news sources who are pro-Trump but there are numerous investigations going on right now dead people voting and some have voted for years after they passed away.

How do some election officials try to explain dead people voting? They say, Oh, people were just signing by the name of the wrong person when they voted. It takes a whole lot of faith to be able to believe that.

Any of the referenced cases are hundreds more than 35 M&Ms.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/cbs4-investigation-finds-dead-voters-casting-ballots-in-colorado/
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Here's another example in a different state. This audit showed 1,300 dead people voted. Also the audit shows prisoners voting.

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/05/michigan_dead_people_voting_au.html
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MSG Brad Sand
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Sir, are you saying we should start ignoring the documented examples of voter fraud already taking place weeks before the election takes place because we do not want to damage the public's confidence?
I think if the public's confidence is built upon a confident system it will not be broken but if it is dishonest, why should we want confidence in it? Dishonesty and corruption should be rooted out immediately because we want confidence in the system? How is it thumbing your nose at something if what you are pointing out is corruption through out the system? The reason Donald Trump has risen to the level he has is because people are already disgusted with the corruption they see?
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COL Lee Flemming
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MSG Brad Sand nope not saying that...only time will tell if his coalition of disgusted voters is enough. Thankfully we don't have to wait long.
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COL Lee Flemming
I hope the end, is the end. I guess my question back to you Sir is, if it is apparent there is enough fraud to actually bring the accuracy of the results into question, when should the will of the people be ignored? We already know the DNC primary was filled with corruption and that the system was rigged against Sen. Sanders. We know there is corruption and fraud already taking place. I have heard number in the millions of voters who are dead but still registered to vote? We know that the voter fraud in the 1960 election swayed those the results but that was different time?

How much fraud or corruption is an acceptable amount? Is it only okay if it is 10% of the votes? What about only 5,000,000? Is that too much or just fine? What level of cheating is okay?
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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Sir our election process has been riddles with fraud for decades, dead folks voting, some folks voting many more times than once. This is a known fact that gets whitewashed all the time. I would no more believe anything from VOX than I would believe the lies from Hillary.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Most Definitely! Voter Fraud has been Republicans Dogma since from when Reagan was running and like any religious dogma it has no basis in Facts or Reality. Their Beliefs are always more important to them than Facts. The Biggest Pimp, Drug Pusher of the Concept these days is Attny Gen for Kansas Kris Kobach (KKK) and he got laws passed that gave him almost God like powers to address this Fake Issue. Since has Prosecuted 6 cases here in Kansas and Won 3, Population of Kansas is 3 Million or .0001. They have trouble accepting that others disagree with them or it is a Tool or more correctly an Excuse they use for their Voter Disenfranchisement Progroms.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
I think the information showing the DNC primary was rigged should be ignored so can happily ignore the corruption. We all need to do what we need to do?
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