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COL Lee Flemming
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CPO Bill Penrod
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It was pretty close to love at first sight. I met my Filipina girl friend Late November 1969 three days later my ship, USS Sanctuary went back to Vietnam. Over the next six months we were together less than twenty days we did write weekly letters. I took my R & R to Manila for one last fling with my girl friend. We stayed at the Pines Hotel in Baguio when I ask "Marry me" She laughed I said again "Marry me" this time brought tears. Two days later we were married. Our love is still growing after 46 years. Divorce was never a thought. I only had two deployment (total 20 months). Great Navy wife she is.................
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SPC Les Darbison
SPC Les Darbison
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Outstanding Bill
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Cpl Elizabeth Koeneman
Cpl Elizabeth Koeneman
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Opposite of hubby and me, it was more loathe than love at first sight. He thought I was an annoying b**** (which I can be) and I thought he was a total a****** (which he can be) and those feelings carried through to our second meeting, nearly a year later. A week after that second meeting, we started dating, then broke up because he had just broken up with someone else and wasn't ready for a real relationship. Dated again a year later and got married about seven months after that. Next month is our tenth anniversary.
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CPO Bill Penrod
CPO Bill Penrod
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Cpl Elizabeth Koeneman - persistence paid off....
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1LT Rich Voss
1LT Rich Voss
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Wow. Fortunate !
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SFC Dennis D Joy
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I'm hard to live with any way. But for spouse to have to adust even few years because of reassignmental or deployment they have to be special. Unfortunately after 4 times across the altar I've been 4 times thru the court room for divorce.
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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You're honest...!
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A1C Lisa Casserly
A1C Lisa Casserly
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I'm so sorry to hear that. It can be really hard to hold it together. I've been very fortunate, very blessed. The man I'm with - 30 years of marriage! - is a wonderful man, my best friend. I could not ask for better.
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1LT Rich Voss
1LT Rich Voss
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Apparently I am too Sarge ! However, wife four says she's the last. Wonder what she means by that .....
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CW3 Carl Bandy
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Was married for 44+ years before my wife passed away in 09. She put up with me my last 19 years in the Army and then retirement,
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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I know you miss her Sir! Thanks for the post!
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A1C Lisa Casserly
A1C Lisa Casserly
8 y
So sorry for your loss!
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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Added strength to mine.
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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My wife my love the military more than I do, and that is saying a lot!
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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COL Lee Flemming - my wife enjoyed the friendships she made.
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PO1 Robert Johnson
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When most of the folks in my age bracket got married, civilian and military, we had the mind set that you worked at your marriage. Of course it helped to have a spouse that was of the same mind. As far as our marriage while in the Navy, it gave us opportunities to grow together as a couple and as a family. We had some really hard times and had to make really hard decisions but as I said, we grew from them and celebrated our 46th anniversary this year and have 2 grown sons and 3 grand kids to share our senior years with.
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SFC James Lahtonen
SFC James Lahtonen
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You sir are my hero!! I can only hope to have 46 years with my wife, and I think you got it right. The military gave us time apart to grow as individuals and together as a team. But the other side is you have to find the right one.
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SSG Melvin Nulph
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I was married three times and if you was to ask them, each of them would tell you that the military was the reason we got divorced. I disagreed then and do to this day. I, (as some people claimed, spoiled them) was told as a young man that when you are married you should always treat your wife as if she was still your date. No, I didn't leave them at their parents place, lol. I tried to make sure we had a date night at least three to four times a month, even if it was me making a lunch or dinner and we spent a few hours at a park or by the lake, river or some nice place just the two of us. I did laundry, dishes, even cooked on weekends & holidays, could through one heck of a GI party at the house too so it was cleaned 90% of the time while I was around.
Yes we spent a lot of time apart, it's part of the military as you know. There is deployments, FTX's, CQ, Staff Duty, Schools and the list goes on. For the longest time I just knew there was something I did wrong and that's why the marriage's went wrong. "I wasn't fare off with that thought either, I just couldn't figure it out. My second & third wife I let them know that the military will always come before them and I do not plan on getting out until I have 20-30 years in, before we got married. I didn't with the first wife because, well, we met in high school and I didn't know I was going to like the lifestyle before it happened.
The time that each of them complained that we was apart, they forgot one important thing, it was a "WE" situation but they only thought of themselves not us. I was not out with the guys having the time of my life and was also in areas that I knew little if anything about most of the time. With each of them like so many others in the military, I got blindsided when I found out they was no longer alone. yes it happened before me and hate to say it, it's going to be going on after long after I'm no longer, it's part of life.
One nice thing, if you can call it that is, each of them asked, "If they could come back", after they found out that the grass wasn't as green as they thought on the other side. So I got to tell them my answer that they didn't enjoy but had to know it was coming. But I've figured out that the thing I was doing wrong was, Picking the wrong ones to marry. The part about spoiling them, may be true? To me I do not think so just like I do not believe the military had anything to do with them finding a boyfriend to give them something to do while I was doing my job. Morals, Self-respect, Team Work as well as a few other important things is what makes a marriage work no matter if you're military or civilian.
Note: for you thinking about getting married... Never do something to your spouse that wouldn't be okay for them to do to you. Just like life, once it's done you can not take it back and "sorry" doesn't fix everything...
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Sgt George Guthrie
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I was in the Air Force for 8 years and the Army for another 8. The Air Force brought us together and the Army broke us up...
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SPC Franklin McKown
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Marrying a BAR GIRL from Korea ruined the marrage,she was a "Runarounfd Sue"
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
8 y
Lol, thanks for sharing that...!
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A1C Lisa Casserly
A1C Lisa Casserly
8 y
Its sad that the "joking stereotype" is true... There are tons of jokes about not marrying a foreign girl, only seeking to come to "the land of the big BX". And of course those jokes must have started somewhere. Its just sad to see that there is the fallout of broken hearts from it.
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SPC Franklin McKown
SPC Franklin McKown
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A cautionary tale now.
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PO2 Dave Cutsinger
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I used to explain away my first two divorces on the rigors of military service. My shortest (and last) failed marriage was a year after I got out and lasted nine months. Maybe I'm the problem not the Navy?
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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Nah, it was probably them...!
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PO2 Dave Cutsinger
PO2 Dave Cutsinger
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Lol. Thanks for the support!
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FN Charlie Spivey
FN Charlie Spivey
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Being aboard ship can be tough with the deployments. I was CG, but got deployed to Vietnam aboard ship with a new squadron that was formed ( RON 3 ) they already had a RON 1 with the small, 82's which was a year tour. Like the Navy, the deployment was 6 mos., IN COUNTRY or Theater ). The travel time to and from did not count. Back in the states in the "peacetime" CG, we had the Ocean Stations which were usually 35 - 45 days on station then back home. We probably did 3 - 4 of those a year plus 2 weeks in GITMO. I have to agree with the Col. it is probably the Navy. My Dad was Navy, but did alright for the most part, but my two brothers were Navy and both married twice.
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A1C Lisa Casserly
A1C Lisa Casserly
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I wish there was a way to choose a mate in a kind of cool and dispassionate way... so that you could choose someone that really works for you, and is completely compatible. Its not wrong to question yourself - it shows maturity! But the blame is very rarely one-sided. I've seen so many of my friends divorce, and then divorce again... and I wonder how the blazes I got SO LUCKY. It sure was not anything I plotted and planned for.
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FN Charlie Spivey
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Didn't help. I didn't get married til after I got out. Unfortunately, there was this thing called P.T.S.D. that reared its head. There was the drinking and the violent outbursts ( Not physical, just vocal ). No way it would last and she bailed. Some time after it ended, P.T.S.D. came to light.
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CPO Bill Penrod
CPO Bill Penrod
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Mine is called the Ghosts of Vietnam. I control it by not drinking..............
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FN Charlie Spivey
FN Charlie Spivey
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CPO Bill Penrod - Hey Chief, Mine too, more or less. I had to identify the triggers then stay away from them. Once I did that things are fine and I rarely drink and then only one or two.
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Cpl Elizabeth Koeneman
Cpl Elizabeth Koeneman
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I guess it's a good thing that PTSD was more widely recognized by the time hubby deployed. Otherwise, getting woken up by him punching in his sleep might have been a deal breaker instead of making me grateful we bought a super comfy couch even if the color was not the best choice. I just started sleeping a bit less soundly so I would wake up as soon as he started moving and move to the couch, couldn't wake him up because that would just cause the nightmares to be worse when he fell back asleep. Fortunately, they only lasted a few months and I only sleep on the couch now when I doze off while reading.
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FN Charlie Spivey
FN Charlie Spivey
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Cpl Elizabeth Koeneman - Ahh yeah. When I was Married, I messed up my arm and had a short arm cast on. When to bed one night. had a Nightmare. Woke up with my wife beating the heck out of me and then I noticed the blood from her nose and a split lip. She thought I did it on purpose. She slept in the other bedroom until the cast came off. My Uncle, who was In-Country ( Vietnam ) when I got there was really bad. He was with the 1st Cav. ( Air Mobile ). He died from a Heart Attack in April '87, before P.T.S.D. was out there. Like me, he had a Heart Condition and a fatal Heart Attack. I have had 3 Heart Attacks the last one was nearly fatal. At the time of his death, Agent Orange was an unknown as well. Ischemic Heart Disease has been Attributed to exposure to AO. These days, ANYONE who was in-country at least 6 mos. from '62 to '75 is presumed exposed. At the time I filed, my unit was specifically mentioned. I had Filed previously for PTSD.
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