Posted on Apr 29, 2015
Can a reservist (TPU) RST in a (short duration) school/course that is listed on ATRRS?
25.2K
23
16
4
4
0
So basically, this is coming from a "make-it-happen" scrounger mindset:
When a higher echelon’s S-3 answer is “no” to funding a SM for a 4-day class (Combatives Level 1); can arrangement be made with the school so that the reservist SM RST the short period. As in: show up, do the course, and submit a DA Form 1380 signed by the school house (It's only a 4 days event).
“Why not go out on a limb? That's where the fruit is” – Mark Twain.
Invite others to respond by typing @name
When a higher echelon’s S-3 answer is “no” to funding a SM for a 4-day class (Combatives Level 1); can arrangement be made with the school so that the reservist SM RST the short period. As in: show up, do the course, and submit a DA Form 1380 signed by the school house (It's only a 4 days event).
“Why not go out on a limb? That's where the fruit is” – Mark Twain.
Invite others to respond by typing @name
Posted in these groups: 
Army Reserve
Modern Army Combatives Program (MACP) Level I
Army Reserve Modern Army Combatives Program (MACP) Level I
Edited >1 y ago
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 8
9
9
0
Short answer is you *could* do it, if the commander blesses off. However, I see three significant issues:
1. This is not a "rescheduled training" (what RST stands for). This is not an event that is being done in lieu of a BA; it is replacing 8 UTAs of planned training. This is a violation of the USAR pay regulation, but the commander can do it. He would be wise to write up a memo explaining his deviation from established practice and policy and enclose it with the monthly commander's pay report.
2. There is a very high risk of injury and an accompaning Line of Duty. If the injury was significant enough to warrant a CIR, your commander would receive some heat from higher. This is not a small risk for combatives, and should be considered before executing this plan.
3. DTS authorization for travel. Assuming the course is outside commuting distance, the right answer is to book TDY travel through DTS. This is also an opportunity - particularly since "no" was the answer once - to draw scrutiny from at least the battlion level.
All things considered, I would advise you to continue to search for a better method that is fully approved.
1. This is not a "rescheduled training" (what RST stands for). This is not an event that is being done in lieu of a BA; it is replacing 8 UTAs of planned training. This is a violation of the USAR pay regulation, but the commander can do it. He would be wise to write up a memo explaining his deviation from established practice and policy and enclose it with the monthly commander's pay report.
2. There is a very high risk of injury and an accompaning Line of Duty. If the injury was significant enough to warrant a CIR, your commander would receive some heat from higher. This is not a small risk for combatives, and should be considered before executing this plan.
3. DTS authorization for travel. Assuming the course is outside commuting distance, the right answer is to book TDY travel through DTS. This is also an opportunity - particularly since "no" was the answer once - to draw scrutiny from at least the battlion level.
All things considered, I would advise you to continue to search for a better method that is fully approved.
(9)
(0)
SSG (Join to see)
1SG (Join to see) ,
Yes, I believe that a Soldier could do it. It really depends on the unit's METL also. Not really much sense sending a Soldier to go to a combatives course if the Soldier's MOS and unit is a bed, bath, and beyond unit.
Yes, I believe that a Soldier could do it. It really depends on the unit's METL also. Not really much sense sending a Soldier to go to a combatives course if the Soldier's MOS and unit is a bed, bath, and beyond unit.
(0)
(0)
MAJ (Join to see)
Falls under the equivalent training category, you commander could authorize it for sure.
(0)
(0)
5
5
0
If you get hurt, and at this course there is an 80% chance, you may not have the same recourse as you would if you were there on orders.
Plus you won't have travel or the school may not be able to provide lodging or food.
Different kinds of duty.
Plus you won't have travel or the school may not be able to provide lodging or food.
Different kinds of duty.
(5)
(0)
1SG Robert B.
Injuries happen at combatives courses, but not at an 80% rate. I was involved in the program for years at Ft Hood well run programs (more so at the school level as opposed to the unit level) have an incidence of injury that is on par with normal PT. Of course my information is anecdotal, not a formal study, but it was compiled over a 5 year period including a year in which my company ran a school in Iraq.
(1)
(0)
1SG Kenneth Hills
Read what CSM Heidke Wrote he is right, it’s about taking care of the Soldier, lets say a soldier goes to Combatives Level 1, he or She is a really good Soldier, and he hurts himself really bad, let’s say the Soldier broke his back and is paralyzed from the neck down ???? Worst case, if the Soldier is on Orders those order will be amended, the Solder will be taken to the Hospital and again worst case medically discharged. If he is RSTing lots of thing change and the Command will have to answer a lot of question possibly fired. If you were in my unit I would say no and get you orders.
(1)
(0)
CSM James Winslow
Lots of things to say about this. Boils down to a couple of things and a statemet: It cAn be done, but it is a. Ad idea and i would not tell the commander to allow it. Why? A MUTA (which is what an RST is) is for unit business and comes out of the unit buget. There are other accounts for things like this (ADSW, ADT and schools) which provide the funding. I have never heard that Combatives at any level is a DA (manning document) requirement. More than likely it is a local commanders requirement and is a "nice to have" thing. It sounds to me that hou want this school more for yourself than the army. There are other factors too- your employer does not have to recognize an RST as a military requirement- only duty on orders. You could get fired for not going to work. More reasons than thEse, too many to list here.
(0)
(0)
1
1
0
SGT David Oliver,
There has been a lot of good answers and information given as I have read through them. Bottom line is if your Commander wants to sign off on the RST and if anything should happen to you take that heat round it is on him/her. As far as getting into the class if you do not have a reservation or a wait in ATRRS the likely hood is limited. Know if you talked with the instructors and whoever inputs the information from there school house and they can walk you on that is another story. Let me know if I am wrong, your unit has a need for Soldiers trained in combative. I believe it would make since to have at least 1 Soldier in every unit Combative certified, even in the Bed Bath and beyond units, also known as Laundry, Shower and Renovation. Good Luck!
There has been a lot of good answers and information given as I have read through them. Bottom line is if your Commander wants to sign off on the RST and if anything should happen to you take that heat round it is on him/her. As far as getting into the class if you do not have a reservation or a wait in ATRRS the likely hood is limited. Know if you talked with the instructors and whoever inputs the information from there school house and they can walk you on that is another story. Let me know if I am wrong, your unit has a need for Soldiers trained in combative. I believe it would make since to have at least 1 Soldier in every unit Combative certified, even in the Bed Bath and beyond units, also known as Laundry, Shower and Renovation. Good Luck!
(1)
(0)
Read This Next
Continue with Facebook 
Continue with Google