Posted on Aug 30, 2020
Can a character of discharge from the USMC be changed from General to Honorable?
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I got back to base and formation late. I got NJP'ed for not being in formation without notifying command that I was going to be late during out processing for an injury. So they change my discharge from a Honorable to a General Under Honorable conditions. That was back in 2009, it is 2020 now. Is it possible that I can get that amended based on clemency or any other way? I can't use my GI bill without it being an Honorable discharge.
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This is germane:
The Military considers the reasons for separation, including the specific circumstances that form the basis for the separation, on the issue of characterization. As a general matter, regulations require that the military determine characterization upon a pattern of behavior rather than an isolated incident. There are circumstances, however, in which the conduct or performance of duty reflected by a single incident provides the basis for characterization.
General (Under Honorable Conditions). If a member’s service has been honest and faithful, it is appropriate to characterize that service under honorable conditions. Characterization of service as General (under honorable conditions) is warranted when significant negative aspects of the member's conduct or performance of duty outweigh positive aspects of the member’s military conduct or performance of duty outweigh positive aspects of the record. A General (under honorable conditions) characterization of discharge will jeopardize a member’s ability to benefit from the Montgomery G.O. Bill if they, in fact, had contributed. Moreover, the member will not normally be allowed to reenlist or
enter a different military service.
As noted above, the characterization is based on "a pattern of behavior" and not an isolated incident. Usually, the GUHC discharge characterization is usually given as part of an Administrative Separation procedure in lieu of an OTH (Under Other than Honorable) characterization. So, I'm pretty sure that there is much, much more to the story here.
Just an Old CO thinking out loud.
The Military considers the reasons for separation, including the specific circumstances that form the basis for the separation, on the issue of characterization. As a general matter, regulations require that the military determine characterization upon a pattern of behavior rather than an isolated incident. There are circumstances, however, in which the conduct or performance of duty reflected by a single incident provides the basis for characterization.
General (Under Honorable Conditions). If a member’s service has been honest and faithful, it is appropriate to characterize that service under honorable conditions. Characterization of service as General (under honorable conditions) is warranted when significant negative aspects of the member's conduct or performance of duty outweigh positive aspects of the member’s military conduct or performance of duty outweigh positive aspects of the record. A General (under honorable conditions) characterization of discharge will jeopardize a member’s ability to benefit from the Montgomery G.O. Bill if they, in fact, had contributed. Moreover, the member will not normally be allowed to reenlist or
enter a different military service.
As noted above, the characterization is based on "a pattern of behavior" and not an isolated incident. Usually, the GUHC discharge characterization is usually given as part of an Administrative Separation procedure in lieu of an OTH (Under Other than Honorable) characterization. So, I'm pretty sure that there is much, much more to the story here.
Just an Old CO thinking out loud.
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Disregarding whether your story adds up i will tell you two things: (1) yes, it is possible but unlikely to have your discharge upgraded by the Board for Corrections of Military records, you have to fill out a form and explanation why you want it changed. (2) your GI Bill is only good for 10 years (maybe they changed that) after your discharge so if that is what you want it for, too late.
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What branch are you in now? SPC is not a rank in the USMC. Unless they have changed over the years.
Dang Sgt. Hallock? Lighten up on the young troop. For he knows not whom he speaks with on RP! Strong Vets who paid the price! He can’t BS us Sgt Hallock. So just let him blow in the wind... Semper Fi
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First and foremost, I call BULLSHIT! The poser posting the question shows the Army rank of Specialist.. He is one if 2 things, a liar or a liar but he DEFINITELY IS NOT A Marine! He's unverified, showing ARMY rank but claiming to be a Marine. There isn't one Marine I know or ever heard of that would claim any other branch over the Marine Corps when it comes to a public profile. Yea, I know, he could've been in the ARMY also. I did 3 in the ARMY too but I and EVERY other person that earned the title, U.S. Marine, will ALWAYS claim the title.. I'm willing to bet he never served in my Marine, Corps, just wants to claim that he did! Secondly, if he received an article 15 and received a GUH, and if he can't use the G.I. Bill, sucks to be him.. Shouldn't have been a shitbird!
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I got mine and I got two General's under Honorable , but you can get a form and send it into Washington DC to the Review Board and explain to them the why's and how come's and its up to them if you have enough evidence to overturn it .
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I do not know about the Marines, but I was discharged with a General under Honorable Conditions and went in front if the Army Discharge Review Board in Washington, DC and presented my case to a board of 5 senior officers (2 Colonels and 3 Lieutenant Colonels). It was only about a 20 minute review, I was given access to my 201 file and I made copies of my Letters of Commendation and EER's and was told to wait outside in the hall. After about 10 minutes they came out, shook my hand, and unanimously approved the upgrade.
They DID ask some weird questions afterwards tho, I gather some people seek an upgrade and spin some BS and this board probably hears some serious lies. My advise, if the USMC has a review process, is have your shit together before you go in front of the board. These officers are sharp and ask very focused questions, they do not make it easy to upgrade a discharge. But IF you have all your duck in a row, it can be done.
They DID ask some weird questions afterwards tho, I gather some people seek an upgrade and spin some BS and this board probably hears some serious lies. My advise, if the USMC has a review process, is have your shit together before you go in front of the board. These officers are sharp and ask very focused questions, they do not make it easy to upgrade a discharge. But IF you have all your duck in a row, it can be done.
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Unless things administratively have changed dramatically, in the Dep't of the Navy, since I was active, only BUMED boards do injury separations, so that doesn't add up. It is a long process, and liberties were granted during it, with the sailor or Marine still listed as a patient at the hospital facility, where he was reporting, not his former unit, prior to determination by the Board. Neither did his former chain of command have any input in the discharge. As an RN, in Navy, I was aquainted with the process by virtue of having a number of patients going through the process for various medical issues. So, as others are suggesting, this does not add up correctly.
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