Posted on Dec 28, 2013
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How do you feel about battlefield promotions in the Army? What about someone receiving one who isn't combat Arms? Should it just be for combat Arms? I feel that some sub-standard NCOs and Soldiers are receiving them just to avoid being RCP'd out. Thoughts?
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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If anybody receives a battlefield promotion for anything short of absolute incredible performance in the face of danger, and rather as a mechanism to reward soldiers who would otherwise not get promoted naturally, then that feels very unethical.<div><br></div><div>I like the idea of merit based promotions under extraordinary circumstances, but not turning that into administrative rewards and favoritism.</div><div><br></div><div>In my opinion, battlefield promotions should take place when there is a clear and present need to increase the rank of a soldier because other qualified soldiers are not available to fill that position. It seems difficult for me to imagine such circumstances existing these days. Then again, many people in the military are not familiar with how this program is working. I would love to hear some examples from people who have seen it in action. What were the circumstances?</div>
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SFC Electronic Warfare Nco
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Ranger that Sir! I would love to hear a real example of when someone has received one. I've only heard rumors so far.  I agree with your thoughts, it should not be awarded for "Unethical" reasons. But, who is the judge on that?
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CPT Keith Steinhurst
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Hey Sir, I have a couple of 'historical' annecdotes . . . The first relates a story my father shared of a retired USAF Major he saw in clinic that remarked on some of the 'I love me' things my father had on his walls, and noted that like himself, my father was also prior enlisted (in dad's case, USMC, 1963-1969). The airman went on to regale dad with the fact that he was in a tower (at an undisclosed location) when a certain airborne command post was about to depart and was light one crew member. As it happened, this airman, then a technical sergeant (E6), was qualified to operate the airborne terminal and so he was 'voluntold' to depart with the ACP. Interestingly, POTUS was embarked on this particular flight and the Pilot in Command was bent that he did not have an 'all commissioned officer' crew and wanted to further delay the flight until that could be remedied. Apparently POTUS became aware of this and said "no problem, make him an officer' and the PIC duly noted in his log that POTUS had directly commissioned TSGT 'X' to 2ndLT USAF and the flight departed as scheduled. Some weeks later, the TSGT was summoned to his Commander's office to be sworn in as a 2ndLT, the direct appointment orders having made it through channels, the rest as they say is history. The second story comes of a unique episode, circa 1990, when the SMP cadets of the GA 24th Mechanized were initially 'commissioned' for Desert Shield/Storm, said commissions were then reversed and those same SMPs were activated as SGTs and deployed with thier units to NTC (48th BDE) and did not go down range, a significant personal event for all involved - North Georgia is a unique school like that, hurrah!
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I like what a battlefield promotion should stand for but unfortunately I've seen them used just in the way you pointed out. They were wasted on NCO's or Specialists nearing their RCP. If they were substandard performers then chances they still are and one can only hope the draw down in the military rights those wrongs. Regardless those promotions were wasted and in my opinion waste money paying some of those individuals. For those that truly deserved and received battlefield promotions you should be proud. That should be like being a Distinguished honor graduate. You have clearly stood apart from your peers.
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SFC Electronic Warfare Nco
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very well put SSg Woodbury. I couldn't agree more with your points. Thank you

 

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CSM Infantry Senior Sergeant
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Battlefield promotions are a great way to recognize our service members hard work. I don't necessarily agree with Major Weiss that it should be limited to some heroic action but do acknowledge that where the opportunity presents itself it can and has been abused. Our S1 NCOIC had return stateside for deployment two months after arriving and for the remainder of the tour his replacement a SGT/P served in his capacity. She did an extraordinary job considering she didn't have a lot of experience in the Army and had never served as NCOIC before. For the next year she not only served as NCOIC but implemented several SOPs to assist the battalion in processing awards and evaluations, and was recognized with a battlefield promotion that I thought she well earned. 
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I'm going to jump in here and agree with my brother 1SG.  Two types would be the best way to go, keeping the meritorious after we have a pause in our combat deployments. 

The combat type, as mentioned later in the thread, should be part of an action that the receiver also is awarded a decoration with a V device, hence the name. 

The meritorious, should of course be a very limited avenue.  We could liken it to the reasoning that we give our SPC's the stripes of CPL, a valid slot exists, no SSG (for example) is available or inbound and the individual has met the prerequisites for the rank, NCOES or promotable (board) or both.  This could help prevent the excesses that are feared by all.      

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SFC Electronic Warfare Nco
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I had a comment about this, I guess it never posted. I agree with both 1SGs and Major Weiss. Two different types but still the same results. A great soldier/leader is recognized for their efforts and/or position.... provided all prerequisites are met.

 

It's a great idea and I like that it isn't over-utilized currently. Most soldiers haven't even heard of it. It should be that way. Expect to earn your stripes and if your actions warrant an early promotion, so be it. Great points gentlemen!

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SSG Philip Cotton
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Major Weiss,

It would be on the order of the MSM and the BSM. I'm not going to get into semantics as I am sure you know the differences between them already. The same idea should be applied to the "Battlefield Promotion". The guard is a bit different though when it comes to those types of promotions. You can Battlefield Promote all day long, but if there are not any slots in the unit to support that rank, the state will make that Soldier remove it as soon as they return from OCONUS.

While overseas I was the unit's S1 and my commander wanted to give one to a SPC who did some great work and by great I mean same LIFE SAVING work. The issue was that our state told us that there was no slot in the state to support the promotion so once he returned stateside he would be made to remove the rank and would be reduced back to SPC without recoupment. 
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CPT Keith Steinhurst
CPT Keith Steinhurst
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Sir, as you know, at least in the Army, the authority for promotion through to the rank of SS (E6) rests with the BDE CDR. SFC (E7) is the first centralized NCO promotion. All other things aside, a CDR at any level can waive TIS / TIG (one or the other, usually not both) and so long as a soldier has met his/her gates for NCODP / Soldier skills, are in compliance with AR 600-9, are qualified with weapon, APFT, and not otherwise flagged, they can be promoted. I certainly concur, meritorious promotion is a useful tool and when properly used is a real morale boost for a command.
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