Posted on Jan 28, 2020
How can I correct having been transferred into the Retired Reserve without a 20-year letter?
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In 1999 I received orders transferring me to the Retired Reserve. I have a (red) DD Form 2 with an indef. expiration. I never received my 20 year letter and according to my Chronological Statement of Retired Points (AHRC Form 249-E) I do not have enough points to be transferred to full Retired status. I've just signed-up for Medicare and am listed in DEERS but am told I'm not eligible for TriCare For Life.
The Reserve Center which provided my DD Form 2 gave me a number of documents to file (DD Form 2656, DD form 149 and SF 180). I think the Dept of the Army is missing some of my time, but 45 years after I first enlisted I've lost some things as well. Any advice?
The Reserve Center which provided my DD Form 2 gave me a number of documents to file (DD Form 2656, DD form 149 and SF 180). I think the Dept of the Army is missing some of my time, but 45 years after I first enlisted I've lost some things as well. Any advice?
Posted 5 y ago
Responses: 6
Your record in the archives might be able to add points, but I wouldn't count on it. Drill and RST records generally aren't permed, but they should have 214, orders (mobilization, school, ADSW or AT), and maybe correspondence courses.
If you are in touch with your former commanders, their statements might be considered as evidence of duty performed (check with HRC first to see if this is even worth your time).
I know HRC will not revoke a 20 year letter even if they later find out the points were miscalculated. I don't ever recall anything specific to your scenario in my training. Never hearts to call them.
If you are in touch with your former commanders, their statements might be considered as evidence of duty performed (check with HRC first to see if this is even worth your time).
I know HRC will not revoke a 20 year letter even if they later find out the points were miscalculated. I don't ever recall anything specific to your scenario in my training. Never hearts to call them.
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CPT Jac Higgins
Thanks Sergeant Pate. The confusing part is that the Army could issue me orders to the Retired Reserve (which as I understand requires 20 years of service) but not issue the 20 Year Letter. Is it possible to be assigned to Retired Reserve (gray area retirement) without 20 years of service? Could the service that determined my Retired Reserve status be now lost somewhere? That is, it was available when I was retired, but the Army can't verify it now.
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SFC Stephen P.
I've seen worse administrative mess ups; some of the things the IL NG has done are probably criminal.
It shouldn't happen, and anyone processing the packet for transfer should have checked it, but it doesn't surprise me that you fell through the cracks.
It occurs to me that even if YOU don't have a 20 year letter, that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist. If it was issued, it would almost definitely be permed. The fact that DEERS doesn't know about it is correctable.
There's a chance someone in the reserve center (check with the career counselor) might have iPerms access. Failing that, or if your record was never digitized, you will have to go to the archives.
It shouldn't happen, and anyone processing the packet for transfer should have checked it, but it doesn't surprise me that you fell through the cracks.
It occurs to me that even if YOU don't have a 20 year letter, that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist. If it was issued, it would almost definitely be permed. The fact that DEERS doesn't know about it is correctable.
There's a chance someone in the reserve center (check with the career counselor) might have iPerms access. Failing that, or if your record was never digitized, you will have to go to the archives.
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Well, join the club, captain. I am one of those, too -- transferred to the Retired Reserve in 1994 without a pension. I didn't know I was entitled to an ID Card. I had come off a seven-year Title 10 Tour and then was retired by ARPC about two weeks later. I have meet one other "retired" Army Reserve SFC with the same status. At that time, there were no assignments for my grade anyway because we were well into the post-Desert Storm draw down where people were being offered early retirements and bonus to separate.
Regrettably, you won't see a 20-year letter because the DoD ended this type of retirement about a decade ago and everyone's records were shifted from the various Reserve Personnel Centers to NPRC. People in our status are largely forgotten even though our orders all have statements saying that our enlistments are extended indefinitely. You are formally retired but without the traditional retired status. Nobody keeps track of you. Other people that face similar conundrums are those officers who never signed their resignation letters and may have been discharged but never received their orders.
My consolation is that I have a now permanent VA disability rating, receiving an income similar to what I would have received as a retired reservist. Now, with the recent changes, I can even shop at a BX or commissary.
I, too, would recommend completing a Standard Form 180 to obtain copies of your military records so you can audit your points summary or replace your medals. However, if my case is similar, those point summaries ended with the retirement order. Even if the point summaries had continued, you still wouldn't have accumulated enough points to justify a good year for retirement.
When I did the SF-180 process, I discovered that a ARPC-issued DD Form 215 that reflected a change of the devices on one of my medals and added a NCO Professional Military Education Ribbon was not in my permanent file. I also discovered that numerous documents had been removed from my permanent record, probably because the Air Force had begun to rely more on computer records and what we used to call records rips. Fortunately, I kept everything with my name and SSAN, and had the DD Form 215 member copy. I have been waiting now almost a year for a correction or at least a new DD Form 214 to be issued.
Regrettably, you won't see a 20-year letter because the DoD ended this type of retirement about a decade ago and everyone's records were shifted from the various Reserve Personnel Centers to NPRC. People in our status are largely forgotten even though our orders all have statements saying that our enlistments are extended indefinitely. You are formally retired but without the traditional retired status. Nobody keeps track of you. Other people that face similar conundrums are those officers who never signed their resignation letters and may have been discharged but never received their orders.
My consolation is that I have a now permanent VA disability rating, receiving an income similar to what I would have received as a retired reservist. Now, with the recent changes, I can even shop at a BX or commissary.
I, too, would recommend completing a Standard Form 180 to obtain copies of your military records so you can audit your points summary or replace your medals. However, if my case is similar, those point summaries ended with the retirement order. Even if the point summaries had continued, you still wouldn't have accumulated enough points to justify a good year for retirement.
When I did the SF-180 process, I discovered that a ARPC-issued DD Form 215 that reflected a change of the devices on one of my medals and added a NCO Professional Military Education Ribbon was not in my permanent file. I also discovered that numerous documents had been removed from my permanent record, probably because the Air Force had begun to rely more on computer records and what we used to call records rips. Fortunately, I kept everything with my name and SSAN, and had the DD Form 215 member copy. I have been waiting now almost a year for a correction or at least a new DD Form 214 to be issued.
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I kept every annual statement, and all of the documents where I received points. I contacted RCPAC in St. Louis and had a contact where I sent my documents. They checked my points and added some that my unit had missed. It made a difference in my retirement pay. Check your documents including orders, etc. Good luck.
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