Posted on Oct 31, 2016
Soldier called me a POG and told me to leave the Commissary. What action can I take?
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Note: My friend Carlos is in the Coast Guard and sent me this question last night. He said he's not on RP due to OPSEC (whatever), so he asked me to ask this on RP on his behalf. He is pretty hell bent on getting this Soldier punished. Anyway, let him know your thoughts on the below.
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I’m in the Coast Guard and have been active duty for 6 years. I’m stationed in Hawaii right now. I was up by Schofield Barracks and went on base there, and went to go shop for a few things at the Commissary. I was waiting in line for some fresh meat and there were 2 Army soldiers also in line, in front of me. They were looking at me and saying things to each other. It looked like they were laughing at me. I heard one of them refer to me as a “POG” which is a slang term I am familiar with from social media stuff. I said to them “Excuse me, I heard what you just said, and I feel disrespected.” I was just trying to stick up for myself. One of the soldiers then squared up to me and said “Yeah, I did call you a POG. Because you are a POG. You need to up and leave here – this is an Army Commissary.” A few other people in line heard this and started laughing. I felt so angry that I just left the building.
I know the soldier’s last name from his top, and I would recognize his face. What actions can I take to report him to his chain of command? What other advice do you have?
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I’m in the Coast Guard and have been active duty for 6 years. I’m stationed in Hawaii right now. I was up by Schofield Barracks and went on base there, and went to go shop for a few things at the Commissary. I was waiting in line for some fresh meat and there were 2 Army soldiers also in line, in front of me. They were looking at me and saying things to each other. It looked like they were laughing at me. I heard one of them refer to me as a “POG” which is a slang term I am familiar with from social media stuff. I said to them “Excuse me, I heard what you just said, and I feel disrespected.” I was just trying to stick up for myself. One of the soldiers then squared up to me and said “Yeah, I did call you a POG. Because you are a POG. You need to up and leave here – this is an Army Commissary.” A few other people in line heard this and started laughing. I felt so angry that I just left the building.
I know the soldier’s last name from his top, and I would recognize his face. What actions can I take to report him to his chain of command? What other advice do you have?
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While the army soldiers were disrespectful and childish, I don't think this rises to the level of disciplinary action beyond a counseling. Advice to Carlos: Rub against Army and Marines more often...it makes your skin grow thicker. You are a POG. So am I. I'm happy to NOT be a grunt, but so what? And it's NOT an Army commissary, it's a Defense Commissary (DeCA). Remind the grunt (non-POG) we're on the same team, and he should save his BS for the bad guys.
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MAJ Jay Callaham
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A good friend of mine was Infantry for over 25 years. Like myself, his service was during the Cold War era. He was commissioned in '72 and retired in '97 or so. His career was what we call "nondescript." Garrison duty, training, trainer, that sort of thing. Though he served DURING Vietnam, didn't go. He was on duty DURING Desert Shield/Storm - as I was - on the staff of the Army Command and General Staff College at Leavenworth. Never deployed to a place to earn a CIB. He was not a POG, but plenty of POGs saw more action and did more real soldering. I was a tanker - so technically a POG. My point in all of that is that, regardless of branch, ALL military members serve. All are needed for whatever job it is that they're assigned to. Sure, branch and MOS pride - and rivalries - have their place, but not in the Commissary or any other public venue. I agree with the Colonel that this kind of silliness doesn't rise to the level of disciplinary action, but at the same time I feel that your friend should have, as COL Lenertz said, stood up to them and simply reminded the smartass that it's a Defense Commissary - branch immaterial, and he should have reminded the Grunt (non-POG) "we're on the same team, and he should save his BS for the bad guys."
I have a couple of friends who are Coasties and have full respect for the jobs they do. Checking out a tramp-freighter at sea, that could be a floating bomb, or full of well-armed drug runners, terrorists, human traffickers, whatever, can be every bit as dangerous as a raid on an ISIS facility in Iraq.
I have a couple of friends who are Coasties and have full respect for the jobs they do. Checking out a tramp-freighter at sea, that could be a floating bomb, or full of well-armed drug runners, terrorists, human traffickers, whatever, can be every bit as dangerous as a raid on an ISIS facility in Iraq.
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LTC (Join to see)
5 mo
PO2 Troy Boyle - We all laugh and call each other names. It toughens us up for the real fight, and yes. When you're dragging some bullet catcher out of the freezing drink and he calls you a POG, drop him back in to learn his lesson. But, I ask you drag the poor infantryman back out. They're kinda' slow and don't often learn lessons the first time.
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1LT Peter Suedfeld
5 mo
SSG(P) D. Wright Downs - Speaking of Willie and Joe, remember Bill Mauldin's "garritroopers" cartoon? I guess that's POG today, and I would guess that's what those two soldiers were.
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If anyone is offended by being called a POG, they seriously need to get thicker skin.
My advise, come up with some clever comebacks or carry some kleenex around.
My advise, come up with some clever comebacks or carry some kleenex around.
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PO1 Richard Wilson
4 mo
We used to just get into fights with all branches and then we bought each other BEER'S
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CPL Kyle Ongsing
3 mo
I'll call all you a POG I'm from the infantry I don't give a crap what you gonna do about it ?
The word POG is for the those not from the infantry, rangers or special forces
Everyone else is a POG those not from the INFANTRYMAN Centurions
Don't get offended you should have been from the Infantry that's to bad
The word POG is for the those not from the infantry, rangers or special forces
Everyone else is a POG those not from the INFANTRYMAN Centurions
Don't get offended you should have been from the Infantry that's to bad
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SFC Lyle Green
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[~14I was an MP (primary MOS) then assigned, appointed, deemed or whatever to criminal investigations, ICW with newly formed RSVN National Police Force, assigned to the 1st. Infantry Division, 3rd brigade, liaison to combat units with high attrition ratios, w/RSVN Spec. police investigating, civilian jungle encampments and villages searching out apprehending suspected insurgent civilians, Vietcong activists or sympathizers, in support of the our assigned infantry unit’s AO. Interrogating, transporting enemy suspects to a base facility for incarceration, etc.. I was drafted and by chance was inducted into the U.S. Army, by chance meaning the Marine corp. was drafting also. At swearing assembly, lined up individuals we were ordered to count off 1 – 3, all 3’s were inducted into the Marines, so no biggy there. Refusing to volunteer for my choice offered to fly helos, that meant 4 years + after 42 weeks of flight training, I stuck to the 2 years of active duty + 4 years of reserve duty. Basic training at Ft. Campbell, 4 weeks into was summoned to some selection office, offered, accepted AIT MOS for MP/ Investigator training in counter insurgency coordinating with the newly formed Vietnamese National Police Force in the upcoming Hearts and Mind campaign in S. Vietnam. After AIT MP 8.5 weeks, received 2.5 weeks additional training in explosives detection and disarming VC’s most common unconventional booby traps, mines, personal disabling traps and devices, basic native language and advanced survival 1st. aid. In Vietnam working with the various units mentioned above plus assisting hunter trackers, explosive detecting dog handler teams, interrogation, info searching deceased mangled enemy remains, rendering extensive lifesaving wounded combatants medical aid, ambush info security responsibility. Plus Military Police law enforcement duties of UCMJ to U.S. personal, bar fights, assaults, atrocities committed by U.S. personal to Vietnamese citizens i.e. rape, murder, abuse, including torcher. Murder of personal including officers and fellow soldiers, grenades tossed in unliked NCO’s and officers tents or quarters. Attempts on my life, shot at, assaulted in my enforcement duties, broken ribs when struck apprehending drug dealers, front teeth knocked out attempting to break up a bar fight, 4 times called upon to talk and console a soldier out of killing themselves while pointing a loaded M-16, or threating to pull the pin of a grenade. Stopping a M-48 tank that run over a Vietnamese lambreta severely injuring 3 occupants, tank commander pointed the tank cannon loaded with a beehive round threatened to shoot me. Etc. etc etc. Returning to the world, assigned to liaison the US Army with Atlanta Police Dept. I was sarcastically approached by a APD Detective who question just what do you MPs do besides break up bar fights? No, we do much the same as you policeman here do, except everyone we stop, question or arrest carries a loaded fully automatic weapon, piston, and grenade ready to use. I later heard that line in a movie. So maybe some think we are Mud Puppies, or some disrespectfully term or an insulting degree, IMO if so, you are a ignorant, ill breed, disrespectful fluff bubble know nothing, do nothing. BITE ME!!!!3770: SSG Mirko Maravi] -
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Posted >1 y ago
"Make me"? Challenge them to a duel and raise your dukes. Have them call the MPs and escort you out of the place. Make a big stinkie, kick them in the gonads, laugh in their face and tell them you have a contagious disease spread through body fluids. Beg them to hit you. Call "incoming" and run in while they figure out what that means. Call mom, she'll fix it.
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SFC Jo Ann Klawitter
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Col Rebecca Lorraine You go, girl I Enlisted in 1969 And I was a 96B also
I just love the Way you think
I just love the Way you think
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SSG James Mielke
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Oh! I very much like this comment.
Seems kind of brutal coming from a Full Bird, and that just makes the Response better. LOL
Seems kind of brutal coming from a Full Bird, and that just makes the Response better. LOL
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