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Posted on Jun 8, 2014
Why is it that no one enforces the regulation AR 385-10?
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Why is it that no one enforces the regulation AR 385-10 chapter 6-5, but are quick too get everyone on the walking and talking.
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I enforce this standard, but I think your larger point is why are certain things enforced, such as walking and talking on a cellphone, but others are not, such as wearing headphones while doing PT (etc).
In a nutshell, recent years have seen us relax in a lot of ways in garrison. Units have spent years getting ready to deploy, deployed, and recovering from deployment, so some standards just sort of lose focus in importance. It has gotten to the point where you have to be a pretty old Soldier to remember the "old Army", as we are 16 years deep in GWOT now.
The answer, my friend, starts with you. Be the standard, know the standard, and enforce the standard. Be unafraid and unbowed by barracks lawyers that call you names and threaten to call your mommy, or theirs.
Rules are there for a reason; this one is one of safety. One need look no further than civilian land to see why it is in place, and for further reinforcement I submit that Joe in his new Dodge Challenger or mudder truck is a crappy and inattentive driver that one must be alert to, on and off post.
In a nutshell, recent years have seen us relax in a lot of ways in garrison. Units have spent years getting ready to deploy, deployed, and recovering from deployment, so some standards just sort of lose focus in importance. It has gotten to the point where you have to be a pretty old Soldier to remember the "old Army", as we are 16 years deep in GWOT now.
The answer, my friend, starts with you. Be the standard, know the standard, and enforce the standard. Be unafraid and unbowed by barracks lawyers that call you names and threaten to call your mommy, or theirs.
Rules are there for a reason; this one is one of safety. One need look no further than civilian land to see why it is in place, and for further reinforcement I submit that Joe in his new Dodge Challenger or mudder truck is a crappy and inattentive driver that one must be alert to, on and off post.
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SGT Charles Bartell
This shiould be a no brain kind of thing, However when the one getting butt hurt is a 1SG and I am just a buck sgt. Who wins that pissing game. All I can tell you is that when some one is whereing whit kids sun glass's in formation with his hands in his pocket he needs somthing done with him. The excuse was his wife gave him a black eye. No excuse for hands in pocket and a black eye for a joe is nothing new reguardles of who gave it to him.
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Rules for the sake of having rules. This is why it's best to just stay the hell away from military installations whenever you're not on duty.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I am so glad that I have retired. No headphones while doing PT in a gym. At Fort Lee (even if you are not on duty) you have to be in PT unis if you are in the gym during PT time 6-730a. Just like the Warrant said "Rules just for having rules" Lots of people are defined by their rank, and their rank does not mean squat on the outside. As for the cell phone thing, walking and talking on a cell phone is not a safety issue...it is a "somebody didn't get saluted" issue, hence a new rule made. I am speaking from a Soldier that rose from E1 to E7 and then went to OCS and retired as an O4...military life was easy to walk away from, because rules are made for those who are the lowest common denominator. I do not miss it at all.
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PFC John Roscoe
Wow, a long time ago (1979) I was separated from the Army with a general discharge for an inability to adapt to a military lifestyle. My company CO put it to me this way: "When we deploy to the field you do a good job and are good soldier . The problem is we are mostly in garrison, and that isn't the place for people like you. We need to keep you busy and challenged and we just aren't doing that. This separation is not a bar to reenlistment, it will give you sometime to get older and decide what you want to do with your life."
For the record, I was initially assigned as a medic to an air defense unit that routinely spent 6 months/ year deployed. but because of my MOS and GT score I was automatically reassigned to the Division Headquarters company, where we had more officers than enlisted men, and every clerk typist had his own Sgt. Major or Major or Colonel to get him out of formation, or PT or latrine duty. our barracks were dirty and our latrines were too, and in the medic station, since officers generally went directly to the Troop Medical clinic, we usually didn't have shit to do but stare at each other, or wait for the Sr. NCO figure out what to do with us- which was usually some invented bullshit job. Going to the field was a chance to get out in the sun and practice the profession we were trained for, to use the hardware and have a feel for what a military in action was like. Unfortunately, we deployed only once or twice a year, usually on the Division ranges, and usually for less than a week at a time-
For the record, I was initially assigned as a medic to an air defense unit that routinely spent 6 months/ year deployed. but because of my MOS and GT score I was automatically reassigned to the Division Headquarters company, where we had more officers than enlisted men, and every clerk typist had his own Sgt. Major or Major or Colonel to get him out of formation, or PT or latrine duty. our barracks were dirty and our latrines were too, and in the medic station, since officers generally went directly to the Troop Medical clinic, we usually didn't have shit to do but stare at each other, or wait for the Sr. NCO figure out what to do with us- which was usually some invented bullshit job. Going to the field was a chance to get out in the sun and practice the profession we were trained for, to use the hardware and have a feel for what a military in action was like. Unfortunately, we deployed only once or twice a year, usually on the Division ranges, and usually for less than a week at a time-
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MAJ (Join to see) - This Major is the soldier that I would follow into combat without question. Common sense dictates the day. Salute.
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SSG Bill Cooke
I hate to say this but too many made up rules hurts operational readiness. And does nothing for es spirt de corps.
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"No one enforces" AR 385-10, SPC Wardin?
AR 385-10, The Army Safety Program
6–5. Headphones
Using portable headphones, earphones, ear, or other listening devices while walking, jogging, running, skating, skateboarding, and bicycling, including pocket bike, MC, or moped, on DOD installation roads and streets, or adjacent to roadways or roadway intersections, is prohibited.
AR 385-10, The Army Safety Program
6–5. Headphones
Using portable headphones, earphones, ear, or other listening devices while walking, jogging, running, skating, skateboarding, and bicycling, including pocket bike, MC, or moped, on DOD installation roads and streets, or adjacent to roadways or roadway intersections, is prohibited.
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SSG Bill Cooke
The military wants drivers to have 100% attention on the driving and NOT on a phone call. The mind can't think of the words of the call and of 100% of all dangers on the road of a military installation. The Command wants NO accidents and no injuries of deaths. Good idea but not 100% in reality. Even excellent drivers can still be in accidents.
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