Posted on May 29, 2019
How can I best prepare myself for reenlisting to learn a new language through DLI?
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Greetings! Currently, I'm in my reenlistment window. I'm weighing my options on my next career move, and am leaning towards attempting to reenlist in order to attend DLI in order to learn Arabic. My retention NCO says it's possible, but he's unfamiliar with the exact steps I need to take. While he's getting back to me, I'm trying to gather as much info as possible. I have a GT score of 136. So here are my questions:
- What can I do in the meantime to prepare and set myself up for success?
- Should I take the DLAB beforehand?
- Are there any other requirements aside from the usual (HT/WT standards, GT score, etc.) I need to fulfill to attend the course?
- Has anyone had any experience with this?
- I also have around 40 or so college credits. If I take the course, can I use this towards an associate's degree?
- If I am able to secure a class date, will I also be able to pick the language?
- Will I be fluent in the language by the end of the course? Enough to score superior on the DLPT?
- Does anyone know the course length for Arabic?
- What sort of enlistment obligation would I be looking at after completion of the course?
Any input would be appreciated!
- What can I do in the meantime to prepare and set myself up for success?
- Should I take the DLAB beforehand?
- Are there any other requirements aside from the usual (HT/WT standards, GT score, etc.) I need to fulfill to attend the course?
- Has anyone had any experience with this?
- I also have around 40 or so college credits. If I take the course, can I use this towards an associate's degree?
- If I am able to secure a class date, will I also be able to pick the language?
- Will I be fluent in the language by the end of the course? Enough to score superior on the DLPT?
- Does anyone know the course length for Arabic?
- What sort of enlistment obligation would I be looking at after completion of the course?
Any input would be appreciated!
Posted in these groups: Arabic (Modern Standard) Re-enlistment DLI Student Defense Language Institute (DLI) Army Schools
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Making a nomination for SFC Boyd to be considered wisest NCO in RP. I was a 35PAD for 7 years before I went OCS. I went through DLI in 2002. Everyone who has written before me was correct (except it was 74 weeks when I went through. Guess it’s shorter now). On day one you will not speak English. You will have no clue what they are saying, so it might be a good idea to learn the alphabet and a few of the basic words first. That first few weeks was hard when you sat through 8 hours of Arabic and then you were furiously writing words down using English transliteration to try and look the words up later without knowing much of the alphabet. I don’t know your proficiency with languages. Many people have a DLI vacation because they pick stuff up quick. I was on academic probation the entire time because I didn’t pick it up quick. That meant you went to class until 1600, did PT, had dinner, then went back to the schoolhouse from 1900-2200. I didn’t have a DLI vacation. The good thing is, the schoolhouse taught you above the DLPT, so getting a 2/2 wasn’t that hard.
Here’s the kicker. Those academic DLI vacationers with a head for Arabic? I often outperformed them on mission. The reason is DLI teaches modern standard. Unless you are on an open source intelligence mission, you will never use MSA. The academic bookworms had trouble because they constrained themselves to the grammar and structure rules of MSA making it harder for them to really pick up dialects. Now I hear at DLI they will now allow you to DLPT in the dialects, but unless that dialect is magically the same one you will use at your first unit, I still see my experience applying here. When I was doing the job every day, you still had to maintain your 2/2 in the MSA DLPT even if you were dealing with Iraqi. Now you can DLPT in Iraqi to maintain proficiency.
Last thing. This was one of the biggest reasons why I chose to drop my language later in my career. Though we have made significant headway through the years with a better linguist regulation and better education of our leadership, there are still commanders (especially MICO commanders) who believe maintaining one’s language proficiency rests solely on the Soldier for completion when they get off duty. The Army is the worst military service when it comes to this and CLPMs are constantly working hard to fix this. Bottom line, you need to be prepared to figure out a way to maintain your 2/2 on your own if need be. The average non-linguist does not understand what it takes to maintain your skills to a advanced HS early college level proficiency and they tend to ignore their CLPMs who are their primary advisors in this matter. I never found a good way to maintain my language on my own especially since days typically ended at 1900 and I started having a family.
Here’s the kicker. Those academic DLI vacationers with a head for Arabic? I often outperformed them on mission. The reason is DLI teaches modern standard. Unless you are on an open source intelligence mission, you will never use MSA. The academic bookworms had trouble because they constrained themselves to the grammar and structure rules of MSA making it harder for them to really pick up dialects. Now I hear at DLI they will now allow you to DLPT in the dialects, but unless that dialect is magically the same one you will use at your first unit, I still see my experience applying here. When I was doing the job every day, you still had to maintain your 2/2 in the MSA DLPT even if you were dealing with Iraqi. Now you can DLPT in Iraqi to maintain proficiency.
Last thing. This was one of the biggest reasons why I chose to drop my language later in my career. Though we have made significant headway through the years with a better linguist regulation and better education of our leadership, there are still commanders (especially MICO commanders) who believe maintaining one’s language proficiency rests solely on the Soldier for completion when they get off duty. The Army is the worst military service when it comes to this and CLPMs are constantly working hard to fix this. Bottom line, you need to be prepared to figure out a way to maintain your 2/2 on your own if need be. The average non-linguist does not understand what it takes to maintain your skills to a advanced HS early college level proficiency and they tend to ignore their CLPMs who are their primary advisors in this matter. I never found a good way to maintain my language on my own especially since days typically ended at 1900 and I started having a family.
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MAJ (Join to see) “The Army is the worst military service when it comes to this and CLPMs are constantly working hard to fix this. Bottom line, you need to be prepared to figure out a way to maintain your 2/2 on your own if need be.”
Agreed. 35P is one of the most poorly managed MOSs in the Army. Soldiers aren’t able to properly train/maintain their language, and then they get hammered if they don’t maintain proficiency.
SGT(P) (Join to see) so Arabic is a sh*t show. CPT Sharp is pretty accurate with his assessment. You’ll learn MSA, yet no one speaks MSA in the real world. Essentially, it’s the Arabic of the Media World that everyone understands, but no one speaks. (Imagine if every English speaker talked like Tom Brokaw. But then you go to haysead county, Alabama. They still speak..kinda English..but.. it’s hard to understand).
Yes, take a DLAB
Yes, I’m sure you’ll need a ht/wt
Yes, DLIFLC has a program with a local community college. Upon completion of the course, you can use your College credits, your DLI credits the CC credits towards an Associates degree.
Unless things have changed, your languages is assigned to you, based on your DLAB, GT and Needs of the Army
Unless you’re rainman, you won’t score superior on the DLPT. If you complete the course, you should be able to pass with a 2/2/1+. That’s conversational. You’ll be able to navigate through an airport, watch TV, and generally operate at about a 12th grade level.
CAT IV languages like Arabic are about 65-70 weeks. Some folks stay longer if they roll back.
DLI is one of the uniquely hardest things you’ll do. It’s certainly a challenge
If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate.
Agreed. 35P is one of the most poorly managed MOSs in the Army. Soldiers aren’t able to properly train/maintain their language, and then they get hammered if they don’t maintain proficiency.
SGT(P) (Join to see) so Arabic is a sh*t show. CPT Sharp is pretty accurate with his assessment. You’ll learn MSA, yet no one speaks MSA in the real world. Essentially, it’s the Arabic of the Media World that everyone understands, but no one speaks. (Imagine if every English speaker talked like Tom Brokaw. But then you go to haysead county, Alabama. They still speak..kinda English..but.. it’s hard to understand).
Yes, take a DLAB
Yes, I’m sure you’ll need a ht/wt
Yes, DLIFLC has a program with a local community college. Upon completion of the course, you can use your College credits, your DLI credits the CC credits towards an Associates degree.
Unless things have changed, your languages is assigned to you, based on your DLAB, GT and Needs of the Army
Unless you’re rainman, you won’t score superior on the DLPT. If you complete the course, you should be able to pass with a 2/2/1+. That’s conversational. You’ll be able to navigate through an airport, watch TV, and generally operate at about a 12th grade level.
CAT IV languages like Arabic are about 65-70 weeks. Some folks stay longer if they roll back.
DLI is one of the uniquely hardest things you’ll do. It’s certainly a challenge
If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate.
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You and your retention NCO might be miscommunicating a bit. It's possible to go to DLI, but not as a 68W. You can go as a Reclass into MOS 35P or 35M. Or if you're an MOS that is language enhanced like SF, CA, PSYOPS, or 35L.
If one of those are the route you choose, bare minimum you will require a DLAB and a TS clearance. When you graduate you will be expected to maintain a 2/2 the read t of your career or lose your new MOS.
If one of those are the route you choose, bare minimum you will require a DLAB and a TS clearance. When you graduate you will be expected to maintain a 2/2 the read t of your career or lose your new MOS.
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Think long and hard about Arabic and it's civilian applications....the Arabic conflict is winding down.....I myself was using cassette tapes....for Arabic.....The future is Mandarin...
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