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I passed the board recently and now im being told i may have to be a CPL until i go to BLC or until i get back from ranger school. I dont want to take responsibility as a team leader and still get paid as a SPC. Can i deny a 4187 ?
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If I was your BN CSM who approved you passing the board I'd undo it upon reading this. You want to be a NCO and be a Team Leader, have been approved to become one, but don't want to do the job until you get the $$$? That's not being a leader, that's not what an NCO does.
Being a Corporal is essentially being a SGT just without the extra $. Your unit wants you to do your new position while you wait to finish BLC - not to get cheap NCO labor out of you.
Being a Corporal is essentially being a SGT just without the extra $. Your unit wants you to do your new position while you wait to finish BLC - not to get cheap NCO labor out of you.
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How about you get compensated for the job your tasked. You get promoted, get the pay. You're always going to be tasked to do so many things that aren't in your description. But a promotion in rank is easily able to give better pay. Fuck that mentality of earning this or doing it out of responsibility. You earned a promotion, you earned a raise.
As a civilian now, that won't fly. Military is a lifestyle as it is a job. By accepting it, you continue that negative mentality. It doesn't have to suck for sucks sake.
As a civilian now, that won't fly. Military is a lifestyle as it is a job. By accepting it, you continue that negative mentality. It doesn't have to suck for sucks sake.
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SGT Nickolas Ortiz
PV2 (Join to see) - wow that’s selfish. A Corporal is a distinguished rank, you’re given more responsibilities and privilege. As an NCO, you gain the respect of your peers and leaders. YOU’RE NOT GETTING RICH IN THE MILITARY. Not taking the rank shows you have little regard or respect for your leadership. They, clearly, made a mistake in selecting you for the Promotion Board… hopefully they’ll rectify that situation.
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Nathan Oram - How did you get on this site, did you lie to get on. You fat arm chair quarterback telling how you feel, You most likely could not get in the military.. You don't have a clue what goes on in the military!
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Check it out, (this isn't meant to be rude, but take it for what it's worth). There will be times in your career when your placed in a position of higher responsibility without the pay. From example, as a SGT I served 13 months rated time as a PSG. I spent a few months on deployment serving in a 1LT position, neither time did I get a pay bump, it just is what it is. Understand that now and it won't hit you as hard when you're one rank and they have you take on higher responsibilities. Take the corporal, it does nothing but help you prepare to actual promote to Sergeant.
And yes I'm pretty sure you can refuse it, but it will bite you in the ass.
And yes I'm pretty sure you can refuse it, but it will bite you in the ass.
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SGT Herbert Bollum
I was an E-5 at one point my Platoon Sgt. took leave, there was an E-6 in the platoon, but I was acting platoon Sgt. and even the First Sgt. treated me better. They knew who would get the job done.
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Cpl John Doe
no offense but it does sound like free cheap nco labor, its hard to not be jaded when you see these stories and know someone is about to get the big green weenie. and why shouldn't a soldier expect the pay to go with the rank? i understand delays but it does come off as we appreciate the work you do but just not enough to pay you for it., in the civilian world who would take a promotion with an unknown pay increase?
others say do it for the pride...meanwhile theres someone out there looking to stab you in the back.
sorry just my experience and opinion on the matter.
at least that soldier has been given a rough date for a pay bump.
others say do it for the pride...meanwhile theres someone out there looking to stab you in the back.
sorry just my experience and opinion on the matter.
at least that soldier has been given a rough date for a pay bump.
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MAJ Tex Hall
Brother, Great point. When I was a Commander (yup, suck ass officer type) I made sure that my E-5s got NCOERs as 6s, my 6s got NCOERs as 7s, etc. We would get our guys that SHOULD be promoted report cards for the 90 days in a higher ranking position. Guess what? I had More E-5s make E-6 than any other unit in the Battalion, and got more 6s make E-7 than the rest of the battalion combined.
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SGT Brant Bruno
Cpl John Doe - Evidently you haven't been in a job where you could climb the ladder, so to speak. I have taken several jobs at a lower pay rate than the position pays a qualified individual. You gain that "qualified" status by taking those positions while you are "underqualified". Once you become qualified for a position at that level, then you can ask for a pay bump, or seek a similar position outside your current organization. You do not simply get the pay because you are given the opportunity to learn a new position. We call that a resume builder.
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While I said you can talk to your leadership, I want you to take something into account. When I was a SGT, I was doing the duties of a SSG, until I found myself as a SGT doing the duties of a SFC. I was put in those higher leadership roles because the powers that be saw the potential. I sure as hell wasn't getting the SSG not SFC pay back then. But, I still did my job and I still led my Soldiers.
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CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw
Absolutely Agree SFC Livingston!!! I was acting Officer in Charge of a Medical Detachment of the 4th Med Battalion, filling an Officers Billet when there none available!!! I was Honored to be asked!!! Doc
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SSG Jorge Lopez
SPC (Join to see) - In 1993, I was an E-5(P) and worked at an E-7 slot in an AVN BDE while there were E-6s at BN level. It was initially to be a trial period or 3 months that eventually became 3 yrs. At the time, I thought it was unfair, but I learned so much during that time! Prepped me really well for future positions! So...Just remember that Nothing happens without a reason.
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CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw
SPC David Roberts Actually, I Was A Master Chief Hospital Corpsman (E-9), Command Master Chief (CMC), (FMF, Fleet Marine Force) Doc
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