Posted on Aug 13, 2024
SFC Component Repair Platoon Sergeant
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I have just been promoted to SFC and taken over a component repair platoon. One of my junior NCO's just retired; however, I found previous leadership did not do his 22-23 NCOER and I have his retirement NCOER ready for signatures. I knocked out his late one so that I can get his retirement NCOER done but it was returned for corrections. This NCO has chosen willing to not meet HT/WT, previous individuals never counseled him on this or put him into weight control program. For the bullet for failure to meet standards and comments of not choosing to be on or in weight control program how should I best word this bullet for his 22-23 and retirement NCOER?
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COL Randall C.
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** Just reread your post ... you're doing two evaluations on him? There's some serious ball dropping going on with your unit's admin folks. However, the following would still apply to both evals.

The retirement evaluation is an optional one that frankly many raters/senior raters use to pad a profile unless it is needed post-retirement by the individual.

In other words, if the NCO retired two-years ago and hasn't been demanding to know the status of it, the impact will be likely be negligible so worrying about how your comments are going to be taken (are they too harsh? not harsh enough? etc.) really isn't an issue.

Some quick advice though:

• The lack of entry into the AWCP is a failure of the unit leadership, not the Soldier, so the lack of entry should not reflect on him or his evaluation.
• Stick to short factual statements regarding the HT/WT - "failed height and weight standards. No body composition measurements on file".
• If he did show by action or words that he had an attitude of "I don't care", then you can mention that "Failed height and weight standards due to lack of motivation" or a bit harsher of "Showed extreme lack of motivation as evidenced by failure to meet height and weight standards consistently"
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
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SSG Roger Ayscue - Why is there even a reviewer? The only time I had a reviewer on AD is when i was in a joint unit and my raters weren't Army. Then I had to have a reviewer to have an Army person in the rating chain. Otherwise I haven't seen one before or after those two joint units.
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SFC Component Repair Platoon Sergeant
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - I can look up my past AD NCOERs; however, all the time I been in the Guard, every NCOER I have has a reviewer which is my commander right now.
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CSM William Everroad
CSM William Everroad
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SFC (Join to see) SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - You only need a reviewer if your SR is not a CPT or CSM. For Company Level, the CDR (O-3) is the reviewer.

It works out in a typical unit:
SGTs are rated by SSGs, SR by LT, Reviewed by the CDR
SSGs are rated by LT, SR by CDR (some units insert the PSG, in which case the rater is PSG, SR is LT, reviewer is still the CDR)
SFCs are rated by LT, SR by CDR

In all cases, every "company-level" NCO evaluations should have the CDR (O3) in the rating chain somewhere. AR 623-3 has more rank specific limits (such as SFCs cannot rate other SFCs) but it also indicates the rank required for SR and Reviewer requirements.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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SFC (Join to see) - We often want the guard and reserves to be on the same level as AD but in reality their schools are often a fraction the length of AD schools and their time AD cementing soldier skills is so much shorter. Often if they do their MOS on the civilian side they are better at it then their AD peers.
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SGT Unit Supply Specialist
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SFC (Join to see) complete it truthfully... Congrats on your promotion.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
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Are NCOERS truthful in today's Army? They sure were not back during my career.
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MSG Stan Hutchison - Mine were except one was done very generically because my senior rater who just didn't like me and not sure why. It wasn't needs improvement or anything - just very blah. And I did a lot more than they said - and I sent all the stuff I did to him and the rater. None of it was in there. It was super late by the time I saw it (i had moved to another section by then) so I signed it but told our SGM it wasn't accurate and I had never been counseled on anything so not sure what their issue was.
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CSM William Everroad
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SFC (Join to see), not that you need it, but a couple bits of advice on your way to 1SG:

1. Audit your ABCP Manager's files and make sure the counselings are done. Review everyone on the program to ensure they are in compliance and making progress. The comment for the NCOER is, "enrolled in the ABCP and making satisfactory progress (or some other descriptive adjective to denote the extent of progress)" or "enrolled in the ABCP and is not making satisfactory progress" or "enrolled in the ABCP and is not in compliance, [insert reason not in compliance]". That last one is for NCOs who refuse, or miss, their required monthly weigh ins. Remember, it is in the counseling that it is the NCO's responsibility to coordinate their weigh in, not the ABCP manager.
2. Build a culture where you track counseling, not just completed reports. Have every NCO make you a delegate for all functions (rater, senior rater). Look into EES and check support forms, if there isn't one at the start of the rated period, you are your HR can initiate one and put the DODID for the rating chain. This will ensure they get an email about it.
3. Publish the rating scheme and have the Commander sign it monthly. Add it to your bistro to your NCOs. Include who's semi annual counseling's are due that month.
4. Every NCODP you conduct repeat the following: Support forms to be completed by the rated NCO 30 days before the THRU date, Rater and Senior Rater completes their portion of the the annual report 14 days before the THRU date, Senior Rater ensures NCO signs and then submits on the THRU date.
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SFC Component Repair Platoon Sergeant
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CSM, once I got back with my current unit as the platoon sergeant, I went into readiness on my own to work with readiness to rebuild the rating scheme because I was wanting to know who my rater and senior rater were. I have also started all support forms for my NCOs who are under me because I do not want to wait till last minute to get NCOERs worked. I know I keep up on my support form and tried to foster that into my juniors, but it is getting to point where I will have to counsel my juniors, hopefully in positive note, to keep track of their careers so it is not a struggle for my side of admin things.
I am also trying to develop some NCODP stuff for my platoon time; however, with how guard drills are short and sweet and tasked to do a hundred things before COB not always easy. Probably will have to do one to two Joes at a time to show them things. Also, retention is low, and I have a few newly promoted SGTs and one-year transfers who do not want to stay in. Luckily, I did get my Sheetmetal section sergeant to reenlist.
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CSM William Everroad
CSM William Everroad
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SFC (Join to see) - All that extra work is why you get paid an extra $2 per UTA. On a serious note, I get the issues, it is tough to be a senior NCO in Compo 2&3. Track your time outside of BA and make sure you submit 1380s for Points. It may not seem like much now, but over the course of the rest of your career, it adds up.
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SFC Component Repair Platoon Sergeant
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CSM, I work at the facility my unit drills at. So, I am able to accomplish some things when I do not have maintenance going on. I thank you for the info on the points but I already have a good fair share of points since I was previously AD for 14 years with 14 deployments and transitioned to Guard in fall of 2014 with no break in service, also with one deployment with the Guard.
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