Posted on Aug 19, 2014
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There are so many different ways that an individual can be considered "in shape" and "physically fit". Someone who lifts religiously is definitely in shape but may not be able to kill the 2 mile run. The same is true for someone who runs marathons, their push-ups may not be at max. And then there are those who never work out and still score nearly a 300. How would you change the APFT to better assess all different fitness levels? Is there any way to determine what "physically fit" means?
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To me, if you look at things logically and you look at the things we do when we're fighting a war, common sense dictates that some form of sprints, obstacle courses, and ruck marches are a much better way to measure someone's battle readiness than push ups, sit ups, pull ups, and a 2 mile run.

I don't know about anyone else, but I've never been out on patrol and had to drop and bang out 50 to achieve anything.
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SFC Processing Nco
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How about the burpee to simulate IMT. That can replace the push-up.
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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- APFT is a way and not the way to assess individual fitness level.
- The APFT is a compromise solution and not an optimal solution.
- Compromise solution = best option with resources available that is agreeable to most or all of the stakeholders.
+ APFT can be taken with minimal resources in any location.
- Measures endurance and cariovascular but not strength so much.
- Does not measure fitness or athletic skills directly used in combat (sprint, climb, carry heavy load/person, etc).
+ Provide one standard that is measurable and understandable across all ranks, components and domains.
- Optimal solution = best solution period but may not be best for all or may require obscene amount of resources.
- Other recommend solutions require infrastructure or equipment that is not easily or cheaply obtained in combat or by the National Guard/Reserve.
- Better able to meaure combat skills but see above note.
- Arguable that not all skills needed for all MOS.
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Sir, you nailed it. The APFT is only an indicator, and does not necessarily correlate with overall fitness. It would be great if we could measure all aspects of physical fitness for every single soldier. The reality is, it would be logistically impossible. You must use a test that is easily administered in large groups in various locations, has clearly identifiable standards and requires minimal equipment. Could it be improved? Sure. But I don't think a viable alternative would look too much different.
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1SG Michael Blount
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How would I change the APFT? Boy, I'm glad you asked.

First event: Pull ups - 1 minute max
Second event: crunches - 1 minute max
Third event: Pushups - 1 minute max
Fourth event: 50-yard shuttle run - 6 reps
Fifth event: 1 mile run

That should get everyone good and gassed.
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SSG Section Sergeant
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I VOTE THIS PT TEST!
Might i also suggesting ending with burpies - 1m max?
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MAJ Contracting Officer
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Why is an infantryman graded on the same test as an signal operator or mechanic. MOS or regiment based PT tests seem an excellent option particuarly with the integration of females into combat roles.
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SFC Cannon Crew Member
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I like your idea for the APFT 1SG, and I believe it should be standardized as a Soldiers APFT. A profile standardizes that each Soldier needs to be able to perform certain combat oriented tasks regardless of your MOS, and I believe an APFT should do the same. We should all be Soldiers first and have to maintain as Soldiers regardless of our skill set. An 11B and a 42A should be treated the same held to the standard on both the APFT as well as meeting the standards of AR 600-9 I believe if the Army looked at everyone equally rather than by MOS we would have less issues with overweight Soldiers.
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