Posted on Nov 21, 2024
Gaetz withdraws as attorney general nominee
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Served 2 purposes. Got him out of Congress, and sent him home so we don't have to look at or hear that bitter voice again. I'm conservative, but I thought he was a total clown, and I'm glad to see him go.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
I am as well. I always felt he was a Congressional troll and I was surprised he wasn't primaried out.
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I think it was simple reality. Trump understands the sunk dollar fallacy . The votes for Gaetz weren’t there. Time to move on, I don’t believe Trump is as Machiavellian as some believe. Gaetz is, right or wrong a fighter and loyal to Trump. Democrats and anti Trump’s may regret this.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
Looking at Trump's cabinet nominees, I worry we all may regret a few things in the future. Tulsi Gabbard is probably the only one I like and I feel several of his nominees are out of loyalty and not skill. I do not blame him for being a bit vengeful, as many have abandoned him. I was glad to see his son-in-law will have a part working with Israel.
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I don't think your second part is the case (first is, for sure). Gaetz is a strong supporter of Trump, so having an advocate in the House, who'd make any Speaker toe the MAGA line, seems like something Trump would relish. Of course, having Gaetz run the DOJ would certainly be even better for Trump. I just can't believe that Trump would nominate Gaetz as some kind of a DOJ sacrificial lamb, with an underlying goal being to get him out of Congress so that more McCarthy-like people would drive the agenda. Gaetz is a pro-MAGA guy who wanted a pro-MAGA Speaker to implement a pro-MAGA agenda. I also find it hard to believe that the sordid rumors about Gaetz caused Trump any concern. Similar rumors surround his SECDEF and SECED nominees (and Trump himself).
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LTC Kevin B.
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin - Interpretation of your perspective....."so long as a conservative hasn't been indicted or convicted, you give them the benefit of the doubt, and if a conservative has been indicted or convicted, you give them the benefit of the doubt." Interesting.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
No, not at all. I was calling that "indictment" out long before there was even a conviction. It was politically motivated and it hasn't ended because 1. this was by design because 2. since they didn't get the result they desired, they've stalled it out to let it hang and give you your anecdote.
How confident are you that Trump will/will not have this overturned should it be allowed to move to that step? Why do YOU think it hasn't been allowed to move forward? Do you really think the Judge is holding off because Trump won, and he doesn't want to rule on a sitting president?
There are plenty of convictions made on conservatives and democrats in which I've taken no issue with, as they had nothing to do with their politics, but the fact they actually committed crimes. Be it Santos, Fortenberry, Cuellar or Menedez... They were all found guilty on legitimate charges without the backdrop of DAs who publicly articulate their objectives to go after a single individual to pander to their own voter base.
How confident are you that Trump will/will not have this overturned should it be allowed to move to that step? Why do YOU think it hasn't been allowed to move forward? Do you really think the Judge is holding off because Trump won, and he doesn't want to rule on a sitting president?
There are plenty of convictions made on conservatives and democrats in which I've taken no issue with, as they had nothing to do with their politics, but the fact they actually committed crimes. Be it Santos, Fortenberry, Cuellar or Menedez... They were all found guilty on legitimate charges without the backdrop of DAs who publicly articulate their objectives to go after a single individual to pander to their own voter base.
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LTC Kevin B.
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin - The jurors in Trump's NY criminal conviction are the only people who actually saw all the evidence and heard all the testimony, and they were unanimous in their verdicts. That's a total 12 jurors reviewing 34 counts, so that means Trump had over 400 opportunities for at least one juror to vote not guilty on at least one of the counts. Trump went 0-408. I trust their collective judgment over anyone reading 2nd and 3rd-hand accounts (likely filtered by political commentary) over the internet. Parse that out however you want, but the only people who had full information were completely certain, beyond any reasonable doubt, that he was guilty as charged on every count. And, if you say "those were just a bunch of Democratic voters", then maybe Trump should have picked a different locale to commit his crimes. Defend him however you want, but your attempt at a defense will never changed what happened in that trial. Will it get overturned? That's speculation on your part. I suspect he'll keep appealing it as high as he can go until he gets a decision he wants. And, if it makes it to the SCOTUS, I wouldn't put anything past them given some of the bewildering decisions they have already made. Regardless, their decision will never change what happened in that NY courtroom.
You can speculate all you want about the other cases that haven't gone to trial. My focus is on the conviction where we have full information. If you wish to ignore that in order to justify supporting your preferred politician, that's on you. However, you have contradicted yourself. If convictions matter for Gaetz, they should matter for Trump. If they don't matter for Trump, they shouldn't matter for Gaetz. Just be candid and say that you're going to support your guys no matter what. That's more defensible than trying to somehow weave your justification through the legal and political processes, especially when your own commentary is contradictory.
You can speculate all you want about the other cases that haven't gone to trial. My focus is on the conviction where we have full information. If you wish to ignore that in order to justify supporting your preferred politician, that's on you. However, you have contradicted yourself. If convictions matter for Gaetz, they should matter for Trump. If they don't matter for Trump, they shouldn't matter for Gaetz. Just be candid and say that you're going to support your guys no matter what. That's more defensible than trying to somehow weave your justification through the legal and political processes, especially when your own commentary is contradictory.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Gaetz wasn't even indicted after being investigated by a Biden friendly DOJ, so I think you have your own problem with speculation if you assume he's guilty. That's your opinion and like I said, you're welcome to it. My post was not about supporting Trump, but rather what I think his intention was with Gaetz. You assumed I support him, which really has nothing to do with the original post. I can only assume you do this because you need to rationalize my perspective about Trump, which was to speculate (as I originally stated), his rationale for putting Gaetz up for AG in the first place.
I will reiterrate my point about why I have come to support Trump and that is in large part because of the so called indictments. It wasn't because he is GOP and I align to conservative views. It was because I absolutely see the justice system getting abused to conduct lawfare against politicians and I am concerned it will continue to get worse if nothing is done about it. So I commend Trump for fighting it, and despite my feelings for him as a person, I admired his fortitude, as I am sure most others would have caved and essnetially allowed this tactic to work. A tactic to prevent a candidate from running and/or taking office again. Had Trump moved on and decided not to run (and I'll say this now before you do...), I speculate with high confidence that each of these indictments would have ended.
Finally, I will say again that yes, convictions matter, as do the indictments, and all of the nuances that come with politics, and the willingness of bias people to use their authority to go after others (especially Trump). So let's not be naive enough to say there can't be exceptions to any rule, and please, let's stop trying to compare apples to oranges with regards to Trump vs Gaetz. You seem to be ignoring the fact that Gaetz was investigated by Biden's DOJ authorities and they moved on, which is pretty telling, because I am sure they were chomping at the bit to find something. That leaves us to what Democrats are investigating on their own accord, which makes it politically based, so I really don't care much at that point. Should they find something, pass it on to the DOJ, let them take care of it, and then I might care more. I feel the same about GOP led investigations too since essentially none of these truly go anywhere other than providing a means to stir up the base. So your attempt to turn this into a gotcha moment on my perspectives with indictments and convictions is pointless. There is grey in this world, there are people who will take advantage of their power (people like Bragg), and those like Bragg who will manage overcome the obsticle of convincing others to bend to their will (like a NYC based jury). This is why we have an appeals process. You cliam I'm ignoring the jury decision and I am not. I just believe they're biased and thus, I just don't put as much clout, as you would, into it since I again, have high confidence it will be overturned on the very first first appeal (without the need to go to the SCOTUS). You're welcome to disagree, but you also ignored my point about how the judge and Bragg have effectively prevented this process from moving forward, most likely knowing it will be reversed IMO. If not why?
Bottom line, what the hell does this have to do with what I think Trump's strategy was with Gaetz? I get it, you don't like Trump, and you think he actually wanted to get Gaetz in as AG. Noted... Considering how fast he put Bondi into the nomination once Gaetz quit, seems to me like he was ready for it, which supports my original point. Seems to me, if he liked Gaetz so much to push his agenda in the House, he would have selected Bondi in the first place.
I will reiterrate my point about why I have come to support Trump and that is in large part because of the so called indictments. It wasn't because he is GOP and I align to conservative views. It was because I absolutely see the justice system getting abused to conduct lawfare against politicians and I am concerned it will continue to get worse if nothing is done about it. So I commend Trump for fighting it, and despite my feelings for him as a person, I admired his fortitude, as I am sure most others would have caved and essnetially allowed this tactic to work. A tactic to prevent a candidate from running and/or taking office again. Had Trump moved on and decided not to run (and I'll say this now before you do...), I speculate with high confidence that each of these indictments would have ended.
Finally, I will say again that yes, convictions matter, as do the indictments, and all of the nuances that come with politics, and the willingness of bias people to use their authority to go after others (especially Trump). So let's not be naive enough to say there can't be exceptions to any rule, and please, let's stop trying to compare apples to oranges with regards to Trump vs Gaetz. You seem to be ignoring the fact that Gaetz was investigated by Biden's DOJ authorities and they moved on, which is pretty telling, because I am sure they were chomping at the bit to find something. That leaves us to what Democrats are investigating on their own accord, which makes it politically based, so I really don't care much at that point. Should they find something, pass it on to the DOJ, let them take care of it, and then I might care more. I feel the same about GOP led investigations too since essentially none of these truly go anywhere other than providing a means to stir up the base. So your attempt to turn this into a gotcha moment on my perspectives with indictments and convictions is pointless. There is grey in this world, there are people who will take advantage of their power (people like Bragg), and those like Bragg who will manage overcome the obsticle of convincing others to bend to their will (like a NYC based jury). This is why we have an appeals process. You cliam I'm ignoring the jury decision and I am not. I just believe they're biased and thus, I just don't put as much clout, as you would, into it since I again, have high confidence it will be overturned on the very first first appeal (without the need to go to the SCOTUS). You're welcome to disagree, but you also ignored my point about how the judge and Bragg have effectively prevented this process from moving forward, most likely knowing it will be reversed IMO. If not why?
Bottom line, what the hell does this have to do with what I think Trump's strategy was with Gaetz? I get it, you don't like Trump, and you think he actually wanted to get Gaetz in as AG. Noted... Considering how fast he put Bondi into the nomination once Gaetz quit, seems to me like he was ready for it, which supports my original point. Seems to me, if he liked Gaetz so much to push his agenda in the House, he would have selected Bondi in the first place.
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