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The VC officer should have been summarily executed (as he was). Everyone in that or any war who attempt to blend into the populace violate the laws of war, and should also be summarily executed if the means to prevent their escape cannot be assured.
The Vietnam War is one possible outcome of political disagreements giving birth to internecine conflict. However, citizens of the United States (unlike those in South Vietnam) are allowed to own many different types of firearms, and to defend themselves from criminals, a renegade government, militant Socialists, and Communists. Some of the legal gun owners in the US are Socialists and Communists, but politics fade as casualties jump in number. The average American Hunter can easily hit a deer sized animal at 200m. In addition to them, we also have stalkers, snap-shooters, and bow hunters that can quickly decimate even a highly motivated group of attackers.
The Vietnam War is one possible outcome of political disagreements giving birth to internecine conflict. However, citizens of the United States (unlike those in South Vietnam) are allowed to own many different types of firearms, and to defend themselves from criminals, a renegade government, militant Socialists, and Communists. Some of the legal gun owners in the US are Socialists and Communists, but politics fade as casualties jump in number. The average American Hunter can easily hit a deer sized animal at 200m. In addition to them, we also have stalkers, snap-shooters, and bow hunters that can quickly decimate even a highly motivated group of attackers.
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Summary execution is prohibited by Geneva Convention. Common article 3 specifically mentions that death to prisoners requires legal judgment by an established court.
https://www.icrc.org/en/war-and-law/treaties-customary-law/geneva-conventions
https://www.icrc.org/en/war-and-law/treaties-customary-law/geneva-conventions
The Geneva Conventions and their Commentaries
The Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols form the core of international humanitarian law, which regulates the conduct of armed conflict and seeks to limit its effects. They protect people not taking part in hostilities and those who are no longer doing so.read more
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I appreciate your comment. Every once in awhile I get a little "bloody minded". The Surge is always there in the back of my mind.
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Even though this techno music song about Vietnam came out in the 1980s, those who came back are still affected by PTSD or shame. Now those veterans from Afghanistan like me feel ashamed because our president let us down. The latest report still tries to blame president Trump when we have people who work in the White House transition team who gave the bite Administration the plan for the plot of Afghanistan and they just threw it in the trash! They were supposed to keep Bagram Airfield and not do a retrograde to Kabul Airport. The Biden Administration ruins everything it touches and people have died and yet they still blame president Trump!
https://youtu.be/0sajngb0W6I
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LTC (Join to see) - The Biden transition team didn’t throw the Afghanistan withdrawal plan into the trash because the Trump White House didn’t give them a plan to consider. The Trump Administration didn’t give anything to the incoming Biden Administration but a hard time and no cooperation .
Washington Post
Feb 11, 2022
“Biden’s presidential transition was ‘particularly arduous.’ Trump was to blame…”
Politico
11/17/2020
“For the first time in more than half a century, an outgoing administration is stonewalling an incoming one at every level — with no intention of relenting.”
Brookings Institute
Nov. 18, 2020
“…cooperation is nonexistent from the outgoing Trump administration.”
Washington Post
11/9/2020
Donald Trump’s White House “instructed senior government leaders to block cooperation with president-elect Joe Biden’s transition team.”
As for an Afghanistan withdrawal plan, there was one. It was called…
“Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America
February 29, 2020”
AKA: the Doha agreement.
That agreement specified the timeline for our withdrawal. It was negotiated and approved by Pres. Trump. No one else. The Afghanistan government wasn’t consulted or even notified. None of the coalition member governments were consulted or notified. The incoming Biden Administration was not briefed.
“The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months. [i.e. by 1MAY2021]”
“The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.”
(That included Bagram.)
This timeline is Pres. Trump’s. Pres. Trump negotiated and approved it. No one else.
From the signing of the Doha Agreement until our final departure, the Trump Administration had more than a year to plan for and evacuate those Afghan people who had assisted us, which he DID NOT DO! The Trump Administration, since its beginning in JAN2017, actually made it MORE DIFFICULT for Afghans, who had helped us, to immigrate to the US…
……….
“A former national security official blamed the Trump administration and former Trump adviser Stephen Miller's "racist hysteria" for impeding the visa application process for Afghans who worked with the US.”
“Olivia Troye worked as the homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to Vice President Mike Pence. In a Twitter thread Friday, she blasted the Trump administration for its handling of the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) programs that provide a path to US residency for locals who worked with the US government in Afghanistan.”
"There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan. He & his enablers across (the) gov't would undermine anyone who worked on solving the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State," Troye wrote.
https://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-miller-racist-hysteria-blocked-help-afghans-ex-pence-adviser-2021-8?op=1
……….
“In light of the sacrifice made by Iraqis and Afghans who assisted U.S. forces, Congress created the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) Program to get them and their families to safety in the U.S. (Peter Farley, a former Army sergeant) says it was about gratitude and also an incentive for local nationals to help U.S. troops. Now veterans such as Farley, as well as dozens of lawmakers, say they're afraid the promise they made is being broken. Under the Trump administration, the number coming to the U.S. has dropped drastically. "This administration is hostile to refugees," says Adam Bates, with the International Refugee Assistance Project.”
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/01/718927688/no-visas-for-afghan-and-iraqi-interpreters
……….
“A federal judge has ruled that the Trump administration violated the law by failing to promptly resolve visa applications for thousands of Afghans and Iraqis who worked for American troops and diplomats, and ordered the government to fix the delays.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-broke-law-visa-delays-afghans-iraqis-who-worked-n1057846
……….
Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin testified on the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan during a House hearing on September 29, 2021.
General Milley 24:02
“Beginning in 2011, we steadily drew down our troop numbers, consolidated and closed bases and retrograded equipment from Afghanistan. … This has been a 10 year multi administration draw down, not a 19 month retrograde or 17 day non-combatant evacuation operation.”
25:17
(Under the DOHA agreement of 29 Feb, 2020) There were seven conditions applicable to the Taliban and eight to the United States. While the Taliban did not attack the United States forces, which was one of the conditions, (the Taliban) failed to fully honor any other condition under the Doha agreement.
26:33
We, the United States adhered to every condition. … Based on my advice and the advice of the commanders at the time, then Secretary of Defense Esper submitted a memorandum on nine November recommending that we maintain the US forces, which were then at about 4,500 in Afghanistan until conditions were met for further reductions. Two days later on 11 November (2020), I received an unclassified signed order directing the United States military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan by 15 January, 2021. After further discussion regarding the risks associated with such a withdrawal, the order was rescinded. On 17 November, we received a new order to reduce troop levels to 2,500 plus enabling forces no later than 15 January (2021).
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/military-leaders-gen-milley-testify-on-afghanistan-exit-full-house-hearing-transcript-september-29
All of the above actions were ordered by Pres. Trump, in spite of the advice of Gen. Milley and others. Pres. Trump, not Pres. Biden, ordered a *complete* withdrawal by 15 Jan, 2021. After being advised that would be a bad idea, he changed his mind and made it 2,500 by 15 Jan, 2021. That was all Pres. Trump! By the time Pres. Biden was sworn into office, there were only 2,400 US Military personnel left in Afghanistan. Not enough to maintain a presence in the country against the Taliban and al Quada. But if Pres. Biden were to increase US Troop levels to meet the new threat…. Lather, rinse, repeat the last twenty years.
Washington Post
Feb 11, 2022
“Biden’s presidential transition was ‘particularly arduous.’ Trump was to blame…”
Politico
11/17/2020
“For the first time in more than half a century, an outgoing administration is stonewalling an incoming one at every level — with no intention of relenting.”
Brookings Institute
Nov. 18, 2020
“…cooperation is nonexistent from the outgoing Trump administration.”
Washington Post
11/9/2020
Donald Trump’s White House “instructed senior government leaders to block cooperation with president-elect Joe Biden’s transition team.”
As for an Afghanistan withdrawal plan, there was one. It was called…
“Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America
February 29, 2020”
AKA: the Doha agreement.
That agreement specified the timeline for our withdrawal. It was negotiated and approved by Pres. Trump. No one else. The Afghanistan government wasn’t consulted or even notified. None of the coalition member governments were consulted or notified. The incoming Biden Administration was not briefed.
“The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months. [i.e. by 1MAY2021]”
“The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.”
(That included Bagram.)
This timeline is Pres. Trump’s. Pres. Trump negotiated and approved it. No one else.
From the signing of the Doha Agreement until our final departure, the Trump Administration had more than a year to plan for and evacuate those Afghan people who had assisted us, which he DID NOT DO! The Trump Administration, since its beginning in JAN2017, actually made it MORE DIFFICULT for Afghans, who had helped us, to immigrate to the US…
……….
“A former national security official blamed the Trump administration and former Trump adviser Stephen Miller's "racist hysteria" for impeding the visa application process for Afghans who worked with the US.”
“Olivia Troye worked as the homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to Vice President Mike Pence. In a Twitter thread Friday, she blasted the Trump administration for its handling of the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) programs that provide a path to US residency for locals who worked with the US government in Afghanistan.”
"There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan. He & his enablers across (the) gov't would undermine anyone who worked on solving the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State," Troye wrote.
https://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-miller-racist-hysteria-blocked-help-afghans-ex-pence-adviser-2021-8?op=1
……….
“In light of the sacrifice made by Iraqis and Afghans who assisted U.S. forces, Congress created the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) Program to get them and their families to safety in the U.S. (Peter Farley, a former Army sergeant) says it was about gratitude and also an incentive for local nationals to help U.S. troops. Now veterans such as Farley, as well as dozens of lawmakers, say they're afraid the promise they made is being broken. Under the Trump administration, the number coming to the U.S. has dropped drastically. "This administration is hostile to refugees," says Adam Bates, with the International Refugee Assistance Project.”
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/01/718927688/no-visas-for-afghan-and-iraqi-interpreters
……….
“A federal judge has ruled that the Trump administration violated the law by failing to promptly resolve visa applications for thousands of Afghans and Iraqis who worked for American troops and diplomats, and ordered the government to fix the delays.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-broke-law-visa-delays-afghans-iraqis-who-worked-n1057846
……….
Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin testified on the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan during a House hearing on September 29, 2021.
General Milley 24:02
“Beginning in 2011, we steadily drew down our troop numbers, consolidated and closed bases and retrograded equipment from Afghanistan. … This has been a 10 year multi administration draw down, not a 19 month retrograde or 17 day non-combatant evacuation operation.”
25:17
(Under the DOHA agreement of 29 Feb, 2020) There were seven conditions applicable to the Taliban and eight to the United States. While the Taliban did not attack the United States forces, which was one of the conditions, (the Taliban) failed to fully honor any other condition under the Doha agreement.
26:33
We, the United States adhered to every condition. … Based on my advice and the advice of the commanders at the time, then Secretary of Defense Esper submitted a memorandum on nine November recommending that we maintain the US forces, which were then at about 4,500 in Afghanistan until conditions were met for further reductions. Two days later on 11 November (2020), I received an unclassified signed order directing the United States military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan by 15 January, 2021. After further discussion regarding the risks associated with such a withdrawal, the order was rescinded. On 17 November, we received a new order to reduce troop levels to 2,500 plus enabling forces no later than 15 January (2021).
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/military-leaders-gen-milley-testify-on-afghanistan-exit-full-house-hearing-transcript-september-29
All of the above actions were ordered by Pres. Trump, in spite of the advice of Gen. Milley and others. Pres. Trump, not Pres. Biden, ordered a *complete* withdrawal by 15 Jan, 2021. After being advised that would be a bad idea, he changed his mind and made it 2,500 by 15 Jan, 2021. That was all Pres. Trump! By the time Pres. Biden was sworn into office, there were only 2,400 US Military personnel left in Afghanistan. Not enough to maintain a presence in the country against the Taliban and al Quada. But if Pres. Biden were to increase US Troop levels to meet the new threat…. Lather, rinse, repeat the last twenty years.
A former Pence adviser said Trump had 4 years to help Afghan allies leave the country but Stephen...
She claimed the allies of Trump and Miller across the administration actively worked against the visa process for Afghans who helped US troops.
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