Posted on Dec 1, 2022
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The basic problem with fact checkers - it's almost impossible in a partisan environment. The core issue is when "opinion" is presented as "fact". Unfortunately, that is happening all too often these days. Look at media outlets that put opinion shows under their news divisions; New reports from "unnamed sources" that are discovered to be nothing more than the authors opinion piece; etc.
“I reject your facts” - Senior US political leader
The above sums it up - if you don't agree with the outcome, you reject the basis of the argument, because OBVIOUSLY, the outcome didn't support "THE TRUTH" which you know and the other side is wrong/deluded/evil because they haven't come to the land of enlightenment.
To quote Martin Gurri in his article about Who Fact-checks the Fact-Checkers, "Unfortunately, that only works if all of us agree on the framework of truth that integrates the facts—and it is precisely the disintegration of these frameworks in the digital age that triggered the epistemic crisis. In every domain, the ruling paradigms have lost their hold—but there has been no paradigm shift, only noise and struggle.
However, it now DOES go deeper and people distrust the basis of the argument for good reason - partisan fact-checkers cherry-pick facts to suit their argument. It's like someone that cherry-picks passages out of the bible to prove their point of view.
I recently commented on a meme somewhere else on RP. One chart in the meme showed a partisan view of something. On the surface, it was true. However, when you dig deeper, the reason it was true was because of data that showed the other side in a better light.
This sums up the echo chamber. People quote only those things that reinforce their argument and discount everything that doesn't.
----------"All Republicans are election deniers!" - what about all those Democrats that have denied elections?
----------"All Democrats are soft on crime!" - what about those Democratic cites that have low crime rates because they have tough on crime policies implemented by the Democratic leadership?
However, back to the fact-checkers. In a lot of the cases, the fact-checkers have become partisan. It may be partisan to a political party or partisan to a philosophical idea. Either way, if you look for 'facts' from those, then you'll only get the cherry-picked truths that support their outcome.
Opinions are a completely different situation. Everyone has an opinion and everyone will only use the supporting argument for their opinion. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Just don't try to cram your opinion down my throat by claiming it's factual.
“I reject your facts” - Senior US political leader
The above sums it up - if you don't agree with the outcome, you reject the basis of the argument, because OBVIOUSLY, the outcome didn't support "THE TRUTH" which you know and the other side is wrong/deluded/evil because they haven't come to the land of enlightenment.
To quote Martin Gurri in his article about Who Fact-checks the Fact-Checkers, "Unfortunately, that only works if all of us agree on the framework of truth that integrates the facts—and it is precisely the disintegration of these frameworks in the digital age that triggered the epistemic crisis. In every domain, the ruling paradigms have lost their hold—but there has been no paradigm shift, only noise and struggle.
However, it now DOES go deeper and people distrust the basis of the argument for good reason - partisan fact-checkers cherry-pick facts to suit their argument. It's like someone that cherry-picks passages out of the bible to prove their point of view.
I recently commented on a meme somewhere else on RP. One chart in the meme showed a partisan view of something. On the surface, it was true. However, when you dig deeper, the reason it was true was because of data that showed the other side in a better light.
This sums up the echo chamber. People quote only those things that reinforce their argument and discount everything that doesn't.
----------"All Republicans are election deniers!" - what about all those Democrats that have denied elections?
----------"All Democrats are soft on crime!" - what about those Democratic cites that have low crime rates because they have tough on crime policies implemented by the Democratic leadership?
However, back to the fact-checkers. In a lot of the cases, the fact-checkers have become partisan. It may be partisan to a political party or partisan to a philosophical idea. Either way, if you look for 'facts' from those, then you'll only get the cherry-picked truths that support their outcome.
Opinions are a completely different situation. Everyone has an opinion and everyone will only use the supporting argument for their opinion. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Just don't try to cram your opinion down my throat by claiming it's factual.
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SP5 Dennis Loberger
Any time you categorize an entire group based on your opinion you are likely wrong right out of the chutes. My Mother is a diehard Democrat. She believes in the second amendment and doesn't support the ban being talked about on gun ownership. She is pro life and doesn't believe in abortion. If she were in Congress, the Democrats would ostracize her. Of course, the flip side is true of Republicans as well. They don't all think the same in real life. In Congress there is no room for independent thinking Republicans either.
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I may be totally wrong here, but I remember when Ma Bell was broken up, maybe it's time to do the same with big tech.
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SGT Jim Arnold
SPC Gary C. yep and I was part of putting some of those baby bells back together. you wouldn't believe how other bells ran their crap.
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SPC Gary C.
SGT Jim Arnold - I have a Uncle that worked for one back home, well he worked for Ma Bell, I think he worked for a baby for a couple years before he retired
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