Posted on May 24, 2022
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The changes, the first to the department’s use-of-force policy in 18 years, follow the murder of George Floyd and other incidents of policy brutality.
Justice Dept. Orders Agents to Intervene if They See Police Violence
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Even in the MP Corps, at least in my experience, any MP other than (maybe) a brand new guy would intervene if another MP was using unnecessary violence. Usually, all it took was a simple, "Hey (name), back off," or "Okay, enough." I'd only witnessed two cases were an MP was only CLOSE to excessive force. I'd like to think, or hope, that all PD's are that way although I know that's not likely ... but the cops that I know (local, county and state) are ALL sensible and use a lot of restraint.
All that said, all the DOJ is doing is pandering and probably even fanning the flames of anti-police sentiment. Thankfully, Garland didn't make it to the Supreme Court!
All that said, all the DOJ is doing is pandering and probably even fanning the flames of anti-police sentiment. Thankfully, Garland didn't make it to the Supreme Court!
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If someone's behavior is inappropriate, their co-workers should intervene.
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SSG Bill McCoy
MSG Joseph Cristofaro - Overall, great points ... as to Floyd - the only reason there were any convictions was very likely due to jurors afraid to see the incident for what it was. Death by asphixiation caused by drug use and physical/health condition.
Had Floyd been white, there wouldn't have even been any charges, let along a trial to appeae rioters.
Had Floyd been white, there wouldn't have even been any charges, let along a trial to appeae rioters.
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro - "When it is clear that the officer is using excessive or inappropriate force, you should step in." - I'm gonna have to disagree with you, Joe. A civilian should not be intervening when a police officer is effecting an arrest. The vast majority of civilians have no idea what the force continuum is or what departmental policy is on how much force can be used at any time. Nor are they likely to understand the circumstances which brought about the use of force in the first place. People watch too much TV and think that just because a bad guy is put on the ground and a knee goes between the shoulder blade, they automatically think the cop is beating the shit out of someone. The thing that counts is what would a reasonable POLICE OFFICER with like training and experience do, not what an untrained civilian thinks should happen.
A civilian getting involved in one of my arrests would have soon found themselves on the ground next to the first guy.
And you're right about George Floyd. It's the way I was trained. Bad guy face down, hands cuffed behind them, one knee in the small of the back and one at the base of the neck at the shoulder blades.
A civilian getting involved in one of my arrests would have soon found themselves on the ground next to the first guy.
And you're right about George Floyd. It's the way I was trained. Bad guy face down, hands cuffed behind them, one knee in the small of the back and one at the base of the neck at the shoulder blades.
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro - Then as I said, it better follow up with charges. Otherwise it's just one guy's opinion that another went too far.
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The question I have is are the black people systemically facing greater risk in police custody than the general public? Is it a valid problem?
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