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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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All while they brag about unused oil leases that can't be used because they are denying licenses to drill.
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CMSgt Marcus Falleaf
CMSgt Marcus Falleaf
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Ltc Charlie Brown, we are feeling the effects of energy issues now, but I don't think we have gone beyond the tip of the iceberg in the southern border crises, the government overreach in banking, the connections with terrorist countries and the underfunding of the military. These things are going to haunt us for a long time after this administration passes away.
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LTC Eugene Chu
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A few caveats about Keystone XL

1. It is a pipeline from Canadian oil fields (not American) to refineries
2. Other pipelines already exist and are in use
3. The type of oil (tar sands) is more corrosive and pipe may be more prone to leak in sensitive areas
4. The oil companies allegedly exploited legal loopholes despite clear environmental and land ownership laws
5. The number of jobs associated with the project are allegedly exaggerated; instead of 100K projected jobs, it supposedly was only 3K

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline
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CMSgt Marcus Falleaf
CMSgt Marcus Falleaf
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Don't have the source right now, but someone stated that before obiden there were 30,000 permits.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
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I love putting things into perspective and I appreciate what you posted on the XL pipeline. But note XL is only one of several ways we can increase our supply and production. Still, here is some added perspective to your 5 points.

1. It is a pipeline from Canadian oil fields (not American) to refineries
That’s fair. Except, now we’re not buying it so much from Venezuela, Iran, and Russia. Isn’t that part of the point, other than keeping prices down?

2. Other pipelines already exist and are in use
True, but the XL was supposed to create a more direct route and add about 510,000 more barrels a day with the added routes. That in itself would have negated what we were buying from Russia.
https://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_gas/a/149227/TransCanada_ConocoPhillips_To_Expand_Keystone_To_Gulf_Coast/?oc=dst

3. The type of oil (tar sands) is more corrosive, and pipe may be more prone to leak in sensitive areas.
Well, Russian oil isn’t exactly great oil either, as all that depends on the sulfur content and API. Furthermore, even Canadians have been importing it due to the fact they have their own logistical issues in getting some of their own.
https://boilermaker.ca/en/would-we-really-rather-use-russian-oil-than-canadian/
BUT, noting the fact we are moving into talks with Venezuela to recoup the lost imports from Russia, it needs to be said that Venezuelan oil is just as bad as Canada’s. See the quote below:
“The two largest reserves in the world — both oil sand deposits — are found in Venezuela and Canada. The Cerro Negro deposit in Venezuela has an API of 16 degrees and a sulfur content of 3.34 percent. The crude oil from Cerro Negro is the heaviest on the planet. No other crude oil has a weight of fewer than 20 degrees. Canada’s WCS has a sulfur content of 3.43 percent and an API of only 20 degrees. WCS Crude has the highest sulfur content of any in the world.”
https://rentar.com/best-crude-oil-world-crude-oils-better-others/
Who do you think between Venezuela and Canada is taking better care to prevent leaks and environmental disasters?

4. The oil companies allegedly exploited legal loopholes despite clear environmental and land ownership laws
Ok, assuming you're correct, if you’re going to point this out, let’s not forget the fact that we have zero control over Russian methods and environmental standards. So, if we’re going to extract oil, how about we do so knowing those who are doing it are more likely to follow the policy and law? If they break it or find loopholes, we still have the power to hold them accountable and/or change the law.

5. The number of jobs associated with the project are allegedly exaggerated; instead of 100K projected jobs, it supposedly was only 3K
Does this include the extended jobs that come with any business coming into a new region? More housing development, retail, services, etc… Regardless, this debate isn’t exactly centered on the number of added jobs (although, that can be a bonus in a struggling economy), but more about becoming less dependent on foreign oil, specifically the oil from nations which invade other peaceful ones (Russia), oppress and starve their citizens (Venezuela), and sponsor international terrorism while working to create nuclear weapons (Iran). Canada may be another country, but they certainly do share most of our values and beliefs.

Another point few people seem to ignore and which I sort of alluded to above, is that in the US and among the western world producers of oil, we hold our energy companies to a higher standard. From extraction, to transportation, to production, we strive to do better. These other countries I've listed don't care so much about our standards. Nor do we have many avenues to influence them otherwise. So, seeing how oil demand is not declining through larger demands for $60K+ EVs, if we're going to extract this oil to meet our demands, why not retain as much control over it as we can? After all, if reduction in demand in order to create better environmental standards and move to cleaner sources is the point for addressing GLOBAL climate change, do we really think that by not extracting our own is going to move us to less demand? I don't think so. The fact is, if we decide not to extract our own and continue buying it from horrible governments, it is likely we are doing more harm to the environment globally, than if we were to extract our own and/or do so in cooperation with our allies and partners, who share better environmental standards. In the meantime, we should continue the search for sustainable and cleaner alternate sources.

XL isn't meant to be an end all answer to our problem right now. It is one of many which the Biden admin was unable to understand the big picture and the ripple effects he was causing in his decisions. It's not much different than when people assert the GOP believed building a wall on our southern border would end illegal immigration. It's one of many ways to take control of the problem. There is rarely, if ever, one way to deal with complex issues like these.
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PFC Ray Aquila
PFC Ray Aquila
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If people would only realize the US will never see a drop of oil from the XL PIPELINE. Th Oil will start in Canada flow through the middle of the US out to the Gulf. This can bring harm to those states if the Pipeline ever bursts. There were only "1300 PART TIME" workers in the US. The Right Side of the Aisle would have everyone believe there were THOUSANDS put out of work. MISINFORMATION............This is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. The XL PIPELINE is more of a headache than a BENEFIT.
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PFC Ray Aquila
PFC Ray Aquila
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Yeah I posted over 1000 PT workers.......@1300. That would be the amount of workers that would have been left had the pipeline would have been completed. "MY BAD"! The US is not the only country in the Gulf MEXICO. The US does not own the GULF. What you're saying. It is alright to lose American Lives for giant Canadian Oil corps. We need oil. Venezuela Just returned some American activists in exchange for what Venezuela did for decade. Supply the US. As matter of record. At one time FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT WAS VENEZUELA'S largest customer.. Yeah I would exchange American Lives for oil. If Big oil, NOT PRESIDENT BIDEN, wants to continue to Blackmail, Exploiting, Extortion of the US after just posting profits of @$480 Billion Just like other retailers that have decided to increase prices. It's called GOUGING. I have asked my many Facebook followers to not go below 3/4 of a tank. Fill up at point. Buy only the essentials at supermarkets. Cut down on frivolous items.
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CMSgt Marcus Falleaf
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Saw an interview about how Putiin came to power through oligarchs. It was pretty interesting and now makes more sense when looking at Biden and those that surround him. Sons, friends, colleagues all making big money from being a part of the gov.
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