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Come on people, it doesn't have to be this way. Just get the little shot, don't let this ruin your lives... Don't give up you career over such a small thing... whoever is right or wrong, don't let it complicate you lives any more than it already has... Please!
Come on people, it doesn't have to be this way. Just get the little shot, don't let this ruin your lives... Don't give up you career over such a small thing... whoever is right or wrong, don't let it complicate you lives any more than it already has... Please!
Jacqueline Fowler
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PFC David Foster
This was just something floating around Facebook, but honestly, I understand both sides... I hate to see anything get mandated, but on the other hand, I understand why people would want to protect their business... It is certainly not fair for people to lose their careers over not getting a shot, but I suppose it's something business owners have the right to do.... I'm kind of stuck in the middle really... I'm not positive who is right or wrong, but it hurts to see people believe in this so much that they would give up their career... it's like they are under a spell...
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Let me start out with... I am vaccinated.
_The Small Pox Vaccine mandate covered in Jacobsen v Massachusetts is commonly held up as the example allowing government mandates. Even with modern medical treatment, the Small Pox mortality rate is estimated at about 30+%; without medical treatment 80+%. At the beginning of the 20th Century those numbers were 50+% and 90+%.
Source: Our World in Data
_The Covid-19 mortality rate doesn't even come close to the Small Pox mortality rate until you get into the 80 year old and up demographic, with co-morbidities. Even if you include the 80+ group, the CoVid-19 mortality rate is still under 2%.
_A federal contractor or employee of a federal worker, who works from home and has ZERO physical contact with the public, other employees, or government employees; MUST become vaccinated.
_A self-employed person, or person who works for a company with 99 or fewer employees; who has physical contact with the public, other employees has no obligation to become vaccinated.
_A person who is not employed, has no obligation to become vaccinated.
If it is truly about public health and compelling government interests, WHY ISN'T THE SHOT A MANDATE FOR ALL? It was mandatory in 1905 when the Supreme Court made the Jacobsen v Massachusetts decision.
I am not unduly concerned about the "public health" crisis and government mandates/restrictions. I am VERY concerned about the next "public health" crisis and government mandates/restrictions. So all I ask... what is the specific, measurable, and objective standard that justifies government intervention. Until I know, I will resist every effort to restrict/remove our freedoms.
https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/31/compelling-state-interest
_The Small Pox Vaccine mandate covered in Jacobsen v Massachusetts is commonly held up as the example allowing government mandates. Even with modern medical treatment, the Small Pox mortality rate is estimated at about 30+%; without medical treatment 80+%. At the beginning of the 20th Century those numbers were 50+% and 90+%.
Source: Our World in Data
_The Covid-19 mortality rate doesn't even come close to the Small Pox mortality rate until you get into the 80 year old and up demographic, with co-morbidities. Even if you include the 80+ group, the CoVid-19 mortality rate is still under 2%.
_A federal contractor or employee of a federal worker, who works from home and has ZERO physical contact with the public, other employees, or government employees; MUST become vaccinated.
_A self-employed person, or person who works for a company with 99 or fewer employees; who has physical contact with the public, other employees has no obligation to become vaccinated.
_A person who is not employed, has no obligation to become vaccinated.
If it is truly about public health and compelling government interests, WHY ISN'T THE SHOT A MANDATE FOR ALL? It was mandatory in 1905 when the Supreme Court made the Jacobsen v Massachusetts decision.
I am not unduly concerned about the "public health" crisis and government mandates/restrictions. I am VERY concerned about the next "public health" crisis and government mandates/restrictions. So all I ask... what is the specific, measurable, and objective standard that justifies government intervention. Until I know, I will resist every effort to restrict/remove our freedoms.
https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/31/compelling-state-interest
A government regulation that impairs First Amendment rights must meet a higher standard of need — defined as a "compelling government interest” — to be considered constitutional.
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PFC David Foster
Well said sir... along with the facts and the comparison to small pox really sheds some light on the mandate issue... I don't want to take any risk because my parents are 90 and I live with them. As much as I want it to see it die down and keep my parents safe, I don't think people should be losing their careers over it... I should have stated with the post that I didn't necessarily agree with the attitude in the post. I said it to the next person since I couldn't edit it... Thanks for your very factual input.
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Maj John Bell
PFC David Foster - My medically uneducated opinion follows...
For the vast majority of Americans, a bout with CoVid-19 is no more and no less a problem than the flu (Influenza A&B). The flu causes anywhere between 25,000-85,000 deaths per year, admittedly some among the young and healthy, with no significant co-morbidity factors.
With CoVid-19, far and away the vast majority of fatalities are among people who have aged out of the work force. Yet we crippled the American economy. Our efforts were uncoordinated, ineffective and the product of poor strategic thinking. Some want to blame that on Trump, and yes he should shoulder blame, but it wasn't malice or malfeasance on his part. Medical professionals are IMO piss poor tacticians. Presidents Trump and Biden had/have very fine doctors who cannot see things from outside their medical perspective. They are situational idiots.
When the vast majority of fatalities and hospitalizations were in the 65+ age group, [We knew that by the end of March 2020], why were we protecting EVERYONE? Analogy, If I told you there was a credible and imminent terrorist threat against an unknown adult care facility in Northern Michigan, How many FBI agents would you deploy to protect farmer's markets in Florida? In effect, federal and state assets were dissipated in efforts to protect assets facing a minimal potential threat.
Meanwhile, elected and appointed officials, DESPERATE to appear like they had some coherent plan, floundered about. They are still floundering today. President Biden's mandates are half steps. Risk analysis what will damage the US. more.... A few more years of this nonsense or mandatory vaccinations accompanied by political unrest and civil disturbance. The politician's response is "What is best for my personal political fortunes/legacy?"
If we had political leadership with the will, we could have ended this "crisis" in two months. Instead we're approaching two years, with predictions between "another year or so," to "it will never go away completely." If there is anything true about America, we have little patience for unending crises; but give us draconian measures with a near term and definite end date, we're all in.
Pre-vaccine public officials poo-poo'd "herd immunity." Now that we have effective vaccines, "herd immunity" is all the rage
For the vast majority of Americans, a bout with CoVid-19 is no more and no less a problem than the flu (Influenza A&B). The flu causes anywhere between 25,000-85,000 deaths per year, admittedly some among the young and healthy, with no significant co-morbidity factors.
With CoVid-19, far and away the vast majority of fatalities are among people who have aged out of the work force. Yet we crippled the American economy. Our efforts were uncoordinated, ineffective and the product of poor strategic thinking. Some want to blame that on Trump, and yes he should shoulder blame, but it wasn't malice or malfeasance on his part. Medical professionals are IMO piss poor tacticians. Presidents Trump and Biden had/have very fine doctors who cannot see things from outside their medical perspective. They are situational idiots.
When the vast majority of fatalities and hospitalizations were in the 65+ age group, [We knew that by the end of March 2020], why were we protecting EVERYONE? Analogy, If I told you there was a credible and imminent terrorist threat against an unknown adult care facility in Northern Michigan, How many FBI agents would you deploy to protect farmer's markets in Florida? In effect, federal and state assets were dissipated in efforts to protect assets facing a minimal potential threat.
Meanwhile, elected and appointed officials, DESPERATE to appear like they had some coherent plan, floundered about. They are still floundering today. President Biden's mandates are half steps. Risk analysis what will damage the US. more.... A few more years of this nonsense or mandatory vaccinations accompanied by political unrest and civil disturbance. The politician's response is "What is best for my personal political fortunes/legacy?"
If we had political leadership with the will, we could have ended this "crisis" in two months. Instead we're approaching two years, with predictions between "another year or so," to "it will never go away completely." If there is anything true about America, we have little patience for unending crises; but give us draconian measures with a near term and definite end date, we're all in.
Pre-vaccine public officials poo-poo'd "herd immunity." Now that we have effective vaccines, "herd immunity" is all the rage
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