California Considering Unprecedented Law Restricting Officers' Firearm Use

The mere act of relaying what a state is doing is not "dissing" the state. Those of us looking askance at California don't respect the lawmakers in the State anyways. I never tire of their antics.

Those who think that California is doing the right thing, should be happy if they think the wonders of California's lawmaker are getting such widespread recognition.

Just like Deerfield IL banning any assault weapons in their village. 1000.00 a day fine until you get rid of them. Idiot's.

Maj John Bell - It's a damn shame that happened to your son in law. It's not right by any means. But on the flipside of this, this policy while seeming to be extremely harsh, is not a bad one. I see it as a wake up call to those cops who play Judge Dredd everyday while hiding behind the line and their badge. Those few rotten apples make it hard for the 95% who truly go above and beyond to work with, and through the communities. It should never be "us vs them", yet that is exactly what it is. Cities and states are also getting tired of paying out millions every month because some cop decided to skip his rules of force and go straight to deadly force. Many are justified, many are not.
No one can deny when some of these shootings are seen both by civilian phone footage, bodycam footage, and in the Tulsa shooting, from an overhead police camera from a heio. If those 5% of cops who shouldn't have a badge but do can go out and be worse than the criminals out there they're supposed to lock up, the 95% who won't police their own to make things better for all, then don't get mad when those above you make some retarded ass regulations that will make it hard for everyone.

MSG Joseph Cristofaro - MSG I can objectively look at areas where these events happen and see that no matter what, you'll (the cop) get to resign, where the "offender" gets an all expense paid vacation to the cemetery or prison. If their greatest fear really is prosecution, then they really don't fear it at all. How many convictions on cops have been handed down for unjustified shootings in the last two years? If that is their biggest "fear", then Houston we have a problem. They won't be prosecuted no matter what clear cut evidence their is showing guilt. The line takes damn good care of it's own.

I agree that many have a misguided view of what policing is based off tv. It's the same as when you see FNG's who played COD thinking the M2 is just like in a video game. It's not. But that would go back to community based policing, walking the beat rather than driving through it, and actually interacting with the populace especially the kids to show they're not just there to arrest or kill them. Lots of great videos of cops doing just that, and earning the respect of their area, not taking that respect out of fear or intimidation. Some knowledge is factually known by the populace when it's cops themselves making videos on how to interact with a cop in this scenario, how to prevent this or that, know your rights and how to effectively use them, and a lot more. You cannot dismiss their knowledge being they are either current or former police officers.

The police have evolved to the point where in some PD's they're more "military" than the military. They wear damn near everything we do, and look nothing like a "cop". Kinda like Storm Troopers in blue. What impression are you presenting with that? Who needs a MRAP to respond to a civilian issue even if SWAT is called? Cops should look like the people they are policing, not a sudo-SF/Delta/SEAL/Raider wanna be. Cops aren't supposed to be the "secret police".

Sure the officers can use "Blue Flu", basically allowing the populace to do what they want, but that would only last until it begins to hit more affluent areas, and suddenly all those cops will come running back to work. What they walked out on, is now in their backyards, and you know we can't have that now can we? If by actions of the few who feel their badge, gun, and unions will keep them out of jail no matter what, how can you truly expect the populace to openly trust you? If their peers won't be good stewards of the profession, by reporting crimes or questionable behavior to their own oversight departments for investigation, how can you expect the populace to trust you again?

No cop in the US is required by law to protect ANY citizen. Per SCOTUS, they protect the LAW. If you just so happen to be a part of that LAW, then you're afforded protection by the cops.

MSG Joseph Cristofaro - My son-in-law thinks that there is a different level of police "threat awareness" based on certain neighborhoods than others. But it has more to do with poverty level than with ethnic makeup. It is not unfair to suggest that minorities tend to see a higher level of confrontational attitude, because a higher percentage of minorities live in impoverished neighborhoods.

Lansing still has some strongly isolated ethnic enclaves. The most dangerous was a white Irish catholic enclave. He said the safest neighborhood for the LPD, bar none income level or not, was an impoverished Korean enclave. When he responded to calls in that neighborhood, it was not unusual that the community elders had already disarmed and restrained the suspect. Quite often, Mom, Dad, or a Grandparent was slapping a kid for bringing shame on the family, even if the "kid" was in his 30's.

He also said that there was very little difference in response to and by LPD in affluent and upper middle class neighborhoods, regardless of the neighborhoods racial or ethnic make up. Kids in affluent or upper middle income neighborhoods were taught to do what the officers told them to do. Suspects might run, but when they were definitely caught, unless they were intoxicated, resistance was almost zero.

MSG Joseph Cristofaro - I've worked the road. Just because I hold police to a higher standard and don't spout the standard "party talking points" doesn't mean I am ignorant or ill informed. Far from that. I DO have a strong respect for police, and have said that on MANY posts on here, even when I'm criticizing their actions. I've gone on VA State Troopers FB page to thank them TWICE. I've thanked Prince William PD in person on multiple occasions.

I've done the job, would DO the job, LOVE the job, but am now physically unable to do so. Sometimes instead of insinuating things, conversation and understanding goes a long ways. I KNOW and UNDERSTAND the realities, the complexities, and the hardships of being a cop. I do not say anything negative about them, would not say anything negative about them, and would fully support them, as long as their actions are right. When I DO, it's made to a direct segment, NOT to the whole. You don't even have to be a cop to do that. It's comparable to when civilians come up and thank you for your service. They recognize the hardships, the commitment to service, and the intricate issues, but while not currently serving or have ever served, they STILL support us, or do they have to wear the green to be informed and appreciative of us?

"Don't call the police"....spoken like one of the segments I'm specifically talking about, NOT the whole.