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PO3 Steven Sherrill, TSgt David L., MSgt George Cater, SFC Stephen Atchley, SGT (Join to see), and MSgt C Madd - While this presentation and speech by the general is quite good it is actually anti-gun and anti 2nd Amendment.
You should note what he says and doesn't state in his speech. What he promotes is not an individual right but a collective privilege; and if you read and understand what the constitution of the Netherlands states as he does ("...that is why the Dutch Constitution states that one of the main task of the armed forces is to uphold the international rule of law."). Do not be fooled in his use of WWII stories as the basis of his talk and of his writings to promote his ideas and ideals. I would suggest that besides selective listening on this speech, to actually listen to the entire thing with a fully open mind. Then listen or read his other speeches (such as Austerity in Defense), and his book (written by Sander Koenen) based on the TEDx Talk - Why I Chose the Gun (which is also the title of the book). His military leadership and his promotion of military leadership are good characteristics that we should all strive for, HOWEVER, that is not and should not be an excuse to not listen to what he says very carefully.
You should also note the laws on guns and gun ownership in the Netherlands - there it is not considered a Right but a Privilege.
"For example, people who give up hunting have to hand in their weapons, as do people who emigrate."
https://www.rnw.org/archive/gun-laws-netherlands
https://steemit.com/guns/@johnthehoan/the-ridiculous-weapon-laws-of-the-netherlands
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/netherlands
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/05/fewer-legal-weapons-in-the-netherlands-one-in-82-own-a-gun/
You should note what he says and doesn't state in his speech. What he promotes is not an individual right but a collective privilege; and if you read and understand what the constitution of the Netherlands states as he does ("...that is why the Dutch Constitution states that one of the main task of the armed forces is to uphold the international rule of law."). Do not be fooled in his use of WWII stories as the basis of his talk and of his writings to promote his ideas and ideals. I would suggest that besides selective listening on this speech, to actually listen to the entire thing with a fully open mind. Then listen or read his other speeches (such as Austerity in Defense), and his book (written by Sander Koenen) based on the TEDx Talk - Why I Chose the Gun (which is also the title of the book). His military leadership and his promotion of military leadership are good characteristics that we should all strive for, HOWEVER, that is not and should not be an excuse to not listen to what he says very carefully.
You should also note the laws on guns and gun ownership in the Netherlands - there it is not considered a Right but a Privilege.
"For example, people who give up hunting have to hand in their weapons, as do people who emigrate."
https://www.rnw.org/archive/gun-laws-netherlands
https://steemit.com/guns/@johnthehoan/the-ridiculous-weapon-laws-of-the-netherlands
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/netherlands
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/05/fewer-legal-weapons-in-the-netherlands-one-in-82-own-a-gun/
Following a shooting spree on Saturday by a lone gunman which has so far cost the lives of seven people, questions are bound to be asked about how the killer, who reportedly used a fully automatic weapon, got his gun and ammo. Outside the military, nobody in the Netherlands is allowed to own or shoot an automatic weapon.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
SSG Robert Webster As you said, he is from and representative of the Netherlands. He is not an American. The sentiment is good. The sentiment that sometimes only a good person with a gun stands between wicked people doing wicked things to the innocent. He is right that it would be a beautiful thing if weapons were not a necessity. That is not the real world. The real world is an ugly place where people harm the innocent for any manner of reasons, or no reason at all. My only interest in the Netherlands is visiting, and watching their soccer team (unless they are playing the U.S.) Beyond that, I enjoyed his speech. I do NOT want to see the U.S. adopt any other nation's policies on firearms. I personally believe that gun laws only apply to the law abiding, and anything that restricts the law abiding from defending themselves is a bonus for the criminal element including terrorists.
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SSG Robert Webster
PO3 Steven Sherrill - The sentiment may be correct, but stating that the state is the only one that should have a monopoly on it is indirectly contrary to the actual meaning. And then what if it is the state that is the wicked entity? Just because a government was democratically elected or installed does not in and of itself make them (a democratically elected government) good. In this regard a lesson could actually be taken in regards to how the National Socialist German Workers Party rose to power; as they were democratically elected to begin with before their leader seized control and usurped the constitution under which they had originally been elected.
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TSgt David L.
SSG Robert Webster - I understand that some of it is national defense vs. personal protection. While I'm against the government controlling the right to have a firearm, I posted it as it points out the necessity of the gun. I've never heard or seen any of his other speeches or thoughts.
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