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Why do police shot to kill?
Why do police shoot to kill?
Posted from cnn.com
Police
Active Shooter
Murder
Posted 7 y ago
Responses: 24
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I don't feel unless someone has served as LE they are qualified to answer. Constantly vigilant and surrounded by those that want to do them harm. I would venture a guess and call it a deterrent- for those that wish them harm, wish others harm, etc. Why can't people just comply when asked- freeze I am a police officer- seems society feels it is OK to be confrontational and instant jawing starts. Why can't people respect the moral code we should all be expected to live within? Great question but way to early Capt Dwayne Conyers Have an awesome weekend my brother.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
What if that person is deaf? What if they're mentally ill? What if they're scared and confused and don't know what's going on?
Like that woman who called in her own sexual assault and got shot by the cops and killed. She didn't do anything wrong and that cop freaked out and shot her.
It's too easy to say "if you feel you're in danger shoot." Not everyone wants to do harm to cops. Let's realize that yes they aren't all corrupt or bad but some are and that needs to be addressed.
Like that woman who called in her own sexual assault and got shot by the cops and killed. She didn't do anything wrong and that cop freaked out and shot her.
It's too easy to say "if you feel you're in danger shoot." Not everyone wants to do harm to cops. Let's realize that yes they aren't all corrupt or bad but some are and that needs to be addressed.
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Maj Marty Hogan
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - what if they just weren't committing a crime? Sorry if you are deaf and a police officer pulls his weapon you might be stupid if you cease your current actions. I could elaborate on scenarios but that is part of the problem is it has to be explained.
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Sgt Martin Querin
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Stuff happens. In a country with over 300-million people and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of such confrontations, although one is a tragedy, statistically it is insignificant. We can't prevent every accident, the number of "bad" shootings is so low as to be insignificant. Cops do a good job of mitigating these types of accidents; of course when it happens it's new everywhere and we all feel for the grieving family. A couple things everyone on RP should recognize and understand:
1. Everyone dies; after their dead it doesn't bother them. I know it sounds callous, but we act as if we were never destined to die sometimes. You don't know when it will happen, or how; so be ready, bags packed and ticket in hand; but don't rush it.
2. In a potential life and death confrontation, even with the very best training...accidents happen. All you can do is train and work to minimize them.
1. Everyone dies; after their dead it doesn't bother them. I know it sounds callous, but we act as if we were never destined to die sometimes. You don't know when it will happen, or how; so be ready, bags packed and ticket in hand; but don't rush it.
2. In a potential life and death confrontation, even with the very best training...accidents happen. All you can do is train and work to minimize them.
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One thing that should be realized is a LEO does not have an opportunity to consider every philosophical pro & con in the split second that they have to decide "shoot" or "don't shoot". Good departmental training features both didactic, a great deal of practice and simulation. A shooting incident is so violent and so sudden that some officers will not realize what is actually happening before they are hit. In situations like this some officers are lucky if they can hit center mass; V V V few are so calm they can call their shots. Center mass is the goal in order to minimize danger to bystanders or the officer. I have never known a LEO that ever went out of their way to kill anyone. It isn't like infantry combat at all.
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There are many kinds of police from traffic cops through SWAT members.
1. Those with the highest marksmanship skill and accurate and zeroed weapons, may be able to put a round to shatter a limb as opposed to a kill shot without hurting anybody nearby with bullet or bone fragments. Trained snipers know a head shot is the most likely to take down a violent murdering assailant.
2. For the more typically armed police with a handgun or a shotgun, they must weigh risks to people around the armed perp.
3. If the armed perp is by themselves then a police man or woman with adequate cover may well try to wound in the leg or possibly the firing shoulder if the perp is still.
4. More often than not, when police respond to an active shooter or somebody threatening a family member, they need to try to talk down the shooter or bladed-weapon wielding assailant. Domestic situations tend to be the most volatile for those involved and the police.
5. Trying to engage an agitated active shooter or bladed-weapon assailant is challenging enough when nobody else is present.
6. Firing at center of mass with a pistol tends to minimize risk to those around the assailant. Of course center of mass means abdomen or chest which can be fatal.
7. In hostage situations, if no trained snipers are available to take the head shot, police oftentimes put themselves at risk to try to subdue the assailant and/or rescue the hostages.
8. Police recognize that when they fire their weapon there is a lot of paperwork and post-incident interrogation to ensure firing a round or more was prudent and required.
These are my basic thoughts in answer to your question Capt Dwayne Conyers.
Thanks for mentioning me Maj Marty Hogan
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1. Those with the highest marksmanship skill and accurate and zeroed weapons, may be able to put a round to shatter a limb as opposed to a kill shot without hurting anybody nearby with bullet or bone fragments. Trained snipers know a head shot is the most likely to take down a violent murdering assailant.
2. For the more typically armed police with a handgun or a shotgun, they must weigh risks to people around the armed perp.
3. If the armed perp is by themselves then a police man or woman with adequate cover may well try to wound in the leg or possibly the firing shoulder if the perp is still.
4. More often than not, when police respond to an active shooter or somebody threatening a family member, they need to try to talk down the shooter or bladed-weapon wielding assailant. Domestic situations tend to be the most volatile for those involved and the police.
5. Trying to engage an agitated active shooter or bladed-weapon assailant is challenging enough when nobody else is present.
6. Firing at center of mass with a pistol tends to minimize risk to those around the assailant. Of course center of mass means abdomen or chest which can be fatal.
7. In hostage situations, if no trained snipers are available to take the head shot, police oftentimes put themselves at risk to try to subdue the assailant and/or rescue the hostages.
8. Police recognize that when they fire their weapon there is a lot of paperwork and post-incident interrogation to ensure firing a round or more was prudent and required.
These are my basic thoughts in answer to your question Capt Dwayne Conyers.
Thanks for mentioning me Maj Marty Hogan
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SGT Charles H. Hawes
As an avid shooter and former correctional officer i was put in a tower as over watch. We had a fight break out at the entrance of the east cell house that had well over 50 inmates and less than 10 staff i had to decide what action to take. I fired 1 warning shot with my mini-14 the fight stopped cold thank goodness. My second shot would have been deadly force. The point is that every situation is different and our law enforcement have to make the decision in matters of seconds. That's why when a police officer stops you please follow their orders and keep yourself in a non threatening posture even if you know that you haven't done anything wrong. I know that is easier said than done. Yes there are those officers who abuse the badge and hide behind it. But for the majority of them they are just trying to do a good job. Training, training and experience. Protect and serve should always be first.
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LTC Stephen F.
SGT Charles H. Hawes - Thanks for sharing your experience and correctional officer background, my friend. FYI Maj Marty Hogan and Capt Dwayne Conyers
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True story.. We had a professional race baiter here. Blasted police every day. The police offered him a chance to do a ride along, and to go through a couple of training simulations regarding use of force. Needless to say, after his day with LE, he no longer makes disparaging comments about them. He told reporters after words that you have no idea how quickly things devolve unless you have been in it. He has kept that promise to keep his mouth shut on LE for a couple of years, now. Moral, if you haven't walked in LEO shoes, you really have no idea what they go through.
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SSgt Ryan Sylvester
I've gone through one of those training simulators when I was in the Explorer program. One of those where you had no idea what was going to happen during the course of the video, and have to make a snap call on whether the POI has become a threat. It's nerve-wreaking, even though you have an endless supply of continues. Out on the street, where you don't? You have to make that call, and the wrong one means you might not be going home.
I'm glad they took the high road, and offered the person a chance to see what they go through. It does and has changed the tunes of a number of people... plus community outreach is always important for a department. Good on them, and good on him taking them up on their offer.
I'm glad they took the high road, and offered the person a chance to see what they go through. It does and has changed the tunes of a number of people... plus community outreach is always important for a department. Good on them, and good on him taking them up on their offer.
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LTC David Brown
Activist critical of police undergoes use of force scenarios
We've seen protests all across the country after police officers have been accused of shooting people who aren't armed. Jarrett Maupin, a vocal critic of pol...
Here is a video of an activist shooting and getting shot in training. Very nterestng.. isn't that easy when you are in the situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g
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