Posted on Feb 8, 2017
Marine Corps Commandant Wants To Crack Down On ‘General Jackassery’
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Marine Corps Commandant Wants To Crack Down On ‘General Jackassery’
Posted from news360.com
Marines
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Alcohol
Posted 8 y ago
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Im still trying to get past the General Jackassery statement...wow, so the days of drinking til 0200 then running SHEEPSHIT Ridge at 0430 are gone huh? Roger that!
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GySgt Melissa Gravila
GySgt John Olson - camp Schwab huh? I was at Hanson the first time then Butler the 2nd time in Oki
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SFC William Farrell
GySgt John Olson - Camp Schwab was on Okinawa John? My brother was stationed there before he and I went to Nam together. He was at the Army base next door to it. I did my RVN training there.
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GySgt Melissa Gravila
GySgt John Olson - we had trays at Butler when I was there so the barbaric tendencies must be contagious! LOL
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
Pulgatraz and " Hand Job Schwab"... what a flipping nightmare. One of my fondest memories of Schwab was watching one of the premiere of one of the biggest Chick Flicks of all times " Titantic" with a theater full of Grunts, most of whom had been drinking. The shit they yelled out was Oscar worthy in itsself.
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I wonder what Chesty Puller would say about drinking less, reading more and PT'ing smartly? The reality for the Marine Corps is they advertise and purse certain personality types. They want the warrior mentality in the ranks but then want to try to calm it, manage it and domesticate it. I am not sure that will work well.
I agree that less drinking (and certainly drug use) should be encouraged but we also live in a society that glorifies it to a large degree. I think discouraging it is fine but punish the behavior, except no excuses for illegal or immoral behavior. That will teach a stronger lesson that trying to curb drinking.
I drank more than I should have but I also knew the price I would pay if my personal behavior impacted my performance in any way. The punishment was pretty immediate and could be severe depending on the offense.
I agree that less drinking (and certainly drug use) should be encouraged but we also live in a society that glorifies it to a large degree. I think discouraging it is fine but punish the behavior, except no excuses for illegal or immoral behavior. That will teach a stronger lesson that trying to curb drinking.
I drank more than I should have but I also knew the price I would pay if my personal behavior impacted my performance in any way. The punishment was pretty immediate and could be severe depending on the offense.
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Managing and domesticating Marines, to my opinion, seem counter productive. Back in the Day MWR sponsored events where units were given "Beer Money" for unit cohesion. Alcoholism should be discouraged, but imbibing tended to create greater fraternity.
In the end, top brass can say what they will, Staff NCO's will still have their way.
In the end, top brass can say what they will, Staff NCO's will still have their way.
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Sgt Ed Allen
The more you try to curb drinking, the more the troops will want to drink. It is human nature.
But, I think that at the clubs, the servers should pay more attention to how much has been consumed and the general behavior of the Marines who are drinking. I well remember one of my room mates being so drunk that he put his fist through a window so that he could unlock the door from inside because he couldn't find the key.
I have many memories of other room mates coming in at 2 or 3 am and yelling "Hey Al! Are you awake?"
While it was annoying, It took no time at all before I could tune that out and sleep right through it. (Adapt and overcome!)
The troops who got in trouble the most were the ones who were not allowed to drink in the barracks. They stood a much greater chance of getting DUI, getting into fights or getting in trouble on the way back.
As for "general jackassery", there are a few things that I can see being changed, or maybe they have since I got out in 89.
One was the, often, malicious application of the blood strip when you picked up corporal. One of the guys in my unit almost had his knee broken by somebody who got carried away.
The best way to manage this "general jackassery" is by having dependable NCOs who understand the difference between blowing off a little steam and getting carried away. A good NCO goes a long way in redirecting the actions of the junior enlisted men and women.
It all comes down to responsibility. And, as an NCO or SNCO, you are the key player.
But, I think that at the clubs, the servers should pay more attention to how much has been consumed and the general behavior of the Marines who are drinking. I well remember one of my room mates being so drunk that he put his fist through a window so that he could unlock the door from inside because he couldn't find the key.
I have many memories of other room mates coming in at 2 or 3 am and yelling "Hey Al! Are you awake?"
While it was annoying, It took no time at all before I could tune that out and sleep right through it. (Adapt and overcome!)
The troops who got in trouble the most were the ones who were not allowed to drink in the barracks. They stood a much greater chance of getting DUI, getting into fights or getting in trouble on the way back.
As for "general jackassery", there are a few things that I can see being changed, or maybe they have since I got out in 89.
One was the, often, malicious application of the blood strip when you picked up corporal. One of the guys in my unit almost had his knee broken by somebody who got carried away.
The best way to manage this "general jackassery" is by having dependable NCOs who understand the difference between blowing off a little steam and getting carried away. A good NCO goes a long way in redirecting the actions of the junior enlisted men and women.
It all comes down to responsibility. And, as an NCO or SNCO, you are the key player.
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