Posted on Aug 12, 2016
With support of Army grunts, NCO moves forward with combined CIB and EIB badge
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As a retired infantryman with two CIB’s and an EIB over a 23 year career I must agree with the Marine here. An EIB doesn’t carry the weight it once did. Only 3 of us out of more than 500 soldiers earned the EIB when I received mine. Over the years as an instructor/grader for countless EIB Tests I have personally witnessed No Go’s being overturned by CSM’s in order to increase the number of EIB recipients for the unit. Not to mention the good ol’ boy system that passed buddies at various test sites. Although EIB Testing is a great training opportunity it really isn’t that much different than Soldier/NCO Boards that don’t give a true assessment of a soldiers actual ability to shoot, move and communicate under heavy fire from a determined enemy. An EIB says that the recipient is able to briefly remember what he is supposed to doin combat. A CIB states that the recipient did what he was supposed to do while under direct fire from an actual enemy not a make believe enemy as is the case with the EIB. Don’t worry about peacetime badges. Focus on knowing your job so that if and when that time comes you must go into battle you will be the one who comes home to cherish what is truly important. Your family and life you get to live out.
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1SG Tommy McGee
None of the services are as hard as they once were!! Ask anyone that Enlisted or retired 10 years before you, everyone says back in the old Army, Marines, Airforce, Navy, Coast Guard or any alphabet service that goes to combat with us.....they all say these service members are not near as tough as we were. Awards don’t make a good fighter but a good fighter will always have a lot recognition, be it awards, letters of appreciation, letters of Commendation, and a Miriad of other things.
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1SG Tommy McGee
LTC Wayne Brandon Awards in general are like that now and have been for awhile. I’ve seen a lot o bronze stars handed out to desk jockeys that never left the wire and soldiers putting their lives on the line get an Army Achievement Medal for their combat service. Pretty much if a bronze start doesn’t have a V on it, it isn’t any better than an Army Achievement Medal IMHO.!
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LTC Wayne Brandon
1SG Tommy McGee - You are correct, 1SG McGee.
Some of my instructors and senior NCO's had served in WWII and/or Korea and had trouble not keeping their opinions free from comparisons of the 'Brown Boot Army' vs the 'Black Boot' Army. Now that most everyone wears brown boots again, I'm not sure their arguments would hold much water. Different times, different circumstances and different locations will set the tone for how an individual will respond yet even in WWII there were attitudes about who had it tougher - The G.I. in Europe and Africa or the Marine or G.I. in the South Pacific. It's all bad; no matter where a soldier finds himself or what is the color of his boots. Thanks for your comments tonight and stay well.
Some of my instructors and senior NCO's had served in WWII and/or Korea and had trouble not keeping their opinions free from comparisons of the 'Brown Boot Army' vs the 'Black Boot' Army. Now that most everyone wears brown boots again, I'm not sure their arguments would hold much water. Different times, different circumstances and different locations will set the tone for how an individual will respond yet even in WWII there were attitudes about who had it tougher - The G.I. in Europe and Africa or the Marine or G.I. in the South Pacific. It's all bad; no matter where a soldier finds himself or what is the color of his boots. Thanks for your comments tonight and stay well.
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As a Marine, I just kind of assumed that by the time you dogface boys had a rocker under your chevrons and crossed rifles on your lapels, you were infantry experts. Maybe you guys should look at adding a charm bracelet to your uniforms. :)
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SSG Cliff Richardson
I joined the Marines in 1978 made corporal, in 1980 branched transfered to Army started out as E1 in infantry, left active service in 1993 as a Staff Sergeant. Army was great, learned more about Infantry than in USMC. Oassed the EIB test it took a few years, you won't believe what you have to do to get it, and it's nothing compared to say Ranger school, SF, very much harder, than Marines. OK you have Recon, and Raiders, they to wear wings, and scuba, and other things, so don't complain, because Most Marines wont go through the real hard stuff. We had Marines drop out in Army Ranger school, too tuff for them, and I also earned the CIB, It let's people know what kind of a man or woman they are dealing with wiithout asking what are you qualified for, it's right on the uniform, I don't have to waste time asking, I just gotta look!!!
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Proud of my service in Desert Storm but worked my ass off for my EIB. I wanted to keep wearing my EIB and was reprimanded for not wearing highest earned. I am all for this!
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SGT (Join to see)
As far as i remember you can where either one or the other if you have earned them.. Only when in dress type situations do they require you to where your Highest decorations. But will they do the same for the Medics who have earn the EFMB and the CMB
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SPC Matt Soderbom
If memory serves, doesn't the EIB carry more promotion points than the CIB?
Regardless, I believe it is up to the wearer as to which they choose to wear. Having been awarded the CIB before getting my EIB, i chose to keep my CIB on my uniform. But others had different uniforms with the EIB sewn on.
Regardless, I believe it is up to the wearer as to which they choose to wear. Having been awarded the CIB before getting my EIB, i chose to keep my CIB on my uniform. But others had different uniforms with the EIB sewn on.
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