Posted on Mar 29, 2016
Did Glenn Beck Go Too Far? | Total Conservative
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I find Glenn Beck often amusing and when I do watch him it is because I want to get his unique take on all things political. Now I think we all agree that Glenn Beck tends to be very passionate about his beliefs. But what often scares me is many times he is way ahead of the curve on issues and often after time has passed I find he was right. I just wish he would only tone down his rhetoric before he paints himself in a tough corner. If Trump wins the nomination then in November all of us conservatives are going to hold our noses and vote for him. Politics is a dirty dirty dirty business and it seems to bring out the worst in any candidate. My concern is we are being distracted from the substantive issues with all this gutter politics. COL Mark Ellis
Did Glenn Beck Go Too Far? | Total Conservative
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"There is no greater threat to this republic than liberalism, and the Democratic Party is the living embodiment of liberal ideology".....The current two party system itself is the greatest threat to this republic. When you can literally "buy" your way into office, ANY office we have a problem. Ironically the ones "buying" their way in aren't the ones in office. They have a more polished turd to do their bidding for them, and WE the American public fall for it year after year, cycle after cycle. It's the lie that is staring us dead in the face, and we give it an "ok", and a "pass" since the lie isn't "that" bad. Well it's been over 100 years with the same lie. When are we going to stop it, and say enough is enough? Regardless of party it's the same BS.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
STRATEGICALY THINKING ... I see value in you train of thought, but the practical side of me sees the fact we are almost halfway through this election cycle as being too late to effectively shake things up to get a realistic candidate. As someone who leans to establishing a third party, to do so right now would definitely give Hillary and Bill Clinton the White House. Sorry if you might be a Hillary supporter, but I have witnessed first hand and have heard from others their experiences with the "Clinton Crime Family" and am doing everything I can (legally) to get a viable Republican candidate to oppose her. So, if it is Trump I will hold my nose and vote for him. If it is Ted Cruz, I will be comfortable with him being president.
As to "When are we going to stop it and say enough is enough?" Now you managed to think beyond the immediate and into the operational and strategic. The strategic thinker in me says we stop it within the next two to four election cycles. It simply takes time to build a sustainable and viable national organization that is disciplined and focused to ensure success. Think if two and four year building phases based on the election cycles of mid-term and presidential elections. BUT it will be hard and take a dedicated core of people.
BE REALISTIC ... It will be hard because those with a conservative bent tend to very responsible, hard working and focused on their day-to-day lives. They also tend to view politics as a factor in their lives only around election time. And if you want to build a party from the ground up, you have to shift their collective pyridine of politics and their place in the world. To do that "the collective we" need to think long term and in phases.
Phase I - Foundational Building Phase - 2018 Mid-Terms -
I am leaning towards helping form a "TEA Party" and the important part of this phase is to build a cohesive national organization. Some small and early wins will come from challenging the current incumbent members of congress (from both parties) and forming a coalition that will help swing things towards more a more constitutional conservative federal government. If a GOP or DNC candidate is a proven conservative asset, the party could support them as an ally and potential convert. The TEA Party candidates and the coalition have to form a wedge between the GOP and DNC to become the power brokers on legislation and funding proposals. The conservative agenda is pushed with new legislation proposals and bills. Any Supreme Court appointments be from a conservative pool identified by the "TEA Party". Also, part of the foundation is also made by winning state level in the governor and legislative elections.
Phase IIa - Building the Frame Phase - 2020 Presidential Election -
In the Trump or Cruz 2nd term election, a third party presidential candidate might be an option but only depending on how that first term transpired. Now assuming they were effectively conservative and "played nice" with the "TEA Party" coalition, mounting a third party candidacy may not be prudent or advisable. In this case the "TEA Party" continues to build strength and challenge the congressional incumbents up for re-election and for any "open" seats. However, it is a Clinton presidency or neither Trump or Cruz were effective as a president, the third party option will have to be taken. The period after the election will see continued aggressive conservative legislative activity while refining the conservative message.
Phase IIb - Building the Frame Phase - 2022 Mid-Term Elections -
Believe it or not, this will be the critical period for a viable and sustainable third party because this is when the coalition should grow in to a majority. Again, congressional "Non-TEA-Party" incumbents up for re-election are challenged and any "open" seats are fought for. Meanwhile, the period after the election will see continued aggressive conservative legislative activity. If things are going well, the DNC and GOP "establishment" will merge both parties into one "big failed" one.
Phase III - Finish Work Phase - 2024 Presidential Elections -
Hopefully, if there was not a 2020 presidential run, this will be the presidential election for the TEA Party candidate supported by a national organization. There will be primaries and the usual "BS" but it will be clear that the TEA Party is a viable and sustainable party.
How is that for a plan?
As to "When are we going to stop it and say enough is enough?" Now you managed to think beyond the immediate and into the operational and strategic. The strategic thinker in me says we stop it within the next two to four election cycles. It simply takes time to build a sustainable and viable national organization that is disciplined and focused to ensure success. Think if two and four year building phases based on the election cycles of mid-term and presidential elections. BUT it will be hard and take a dedicated core of people.
BE REALISTIC ... It will be hard because those with a conservative bent tend to very responsible, hard working and focused on their day-to-day lives. They also tend to view politics as a factor in their lives only around election time. And if you want to build a party from the ground up, you have to shift their collective pyridine of politics and their place in the world. To do that "the collective we" need to think long term and in phases.
Phase I - Foundational Building Phase - 2018 Mid-Terms -
I am leaning towards helping form a "TEA Party" and the important part of this phase is to build a cohesive national organization. Some small and early wins will come from challenging the current incumbent members of congress (from both parties) and forming a coalition that will help swing things towards more a more constitutional conservative federal government. If a GOP or DNC candidate is a proven conservative asset, the party could support them as an ally and potential convert. The TEA Party candidates and the coalition have to form a wedge between the GOP and DNC to become the power brokers on legislation and funding proposals. The conservative agenda is pushed with new legislation proposals and bills. Any Supreme Court appointments be from a conservative pool identified by the "TEA Party". Also, part of the foundation is also made by winning state level in the governor and legislative elections.
Phase IIa - Building the Frame Phase - 2020 Presidential Election -
In the Trump or Cruz 2nd term election, a third party presidential candidate might be an option but only depending on how that first term transpired. Now assuming they were effectively conservative and "played nice" with the "TEA Party" coalition, mounting a third party candidacy may not be prudent or advisable. In this case the "TEA Party" continues to build strength and challenge the congressional incumbents up for re-election and for any "open" seats. However, it is a Clinton presidency or neither Trump or Cruz were effective as a president, the third party option will have to be taken. The period after the election will see continued aggressive conservative legislative activity while refining the conservative message.
Phase IIb - Building the Frame Phase - 2022 Mid-Term Elections -
Believe it or not, this will be the critical period for a viable and sustainable third party because this is when the coalition should grow in to a majority. Again, congressional "Non-TEA-Party" incumbents up for re-election are challenged and any "open" seats are fought for. Meanwhile, the period after the election will see continued aggressive conservative legislative activity. If things are going well, the DNC and GOP "establishment" will merge both parties into one "big failed" one.
Phase III - Finish Work Phase - 2024 Presidential Elections -
Hopefully, if there was not a 2020 presidential run, this will be the presidential election for the TEA Party candidate supported by a national organization. There will be primaries and the usual "BS" but it will be clear that the TEA Party is a viable and sustainable party.
How is that for a plan?
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SSG Warren Swan
LTC Thomas Tennant - Sir, I'm going to need this in the OPORD format, with the required powerpoint presentation. But it is a SOLID plan. The one change I'd make would be to take out conservatives or liberals. To make an effective change, some labels would need to be dropped, and more unifying ones made. It needs to hit a broad base, and not stick to the present ones that alienate folks
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Beck routinely goes too far. Controversy leads to conversation...and that's his business. I doubt his fans are too outraged or that he wooed any of his enemies in the gaff to the GOP.
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Beck's go two choices...stop making sweeping statements, or stop making apologies; If he's right, then he's right-take the heat.
Speaking for myself, I'm pretty hacked off that our choices for the highest office in the nation have come down to caricatures...I suppose if I have to choose between a Northeastern Bolshevik, a career white collar criminal, an idealist who can't win, and the reality television star...the television star sounds more "predictable".
I think Trump isn't what he portrays-His advisers, or he himself, have decided that the American voter is a low-IQ, vengeful, easily manipulated higher primate, and are proceeding accordingly. Sanders is banking on the majority of voting Americans being young, over "educated", whiners, willing to eat the "Soylent Green"-so long as it is guaranteed. Clinton is expecting the "good old boy/girl network" to secure her the nomination-and for the democratic voters to go her way just on principle. Cruz-God love him-is trying to wear shoes a few sizes too big.
It's going to be Trump vs. Clinton-Why? Because Hillary "bought" her spot at the table (or Bill did), and if she did go up before the Green Table-a lot of heads would roll. The Republicans know that contesting the convention will kill off the party for at least a decade-if not longer-and are going to be forced to bring out the trick pony in the end.
Trump might actually win...though he needs to quickly realize it won't be because everyone buying his snake oil loves the product.
Unless Beck,or those like him, can convert every single potential Trump voter to a Cruz voter...its time for Republicans to start getting behind Trump and start thinking about 2020-and whether a true leader can be found among the panoply of generals whose careers ended because they had to spine to tell Mr. Obama (or Mr. Bush) the truth about what's been going on for the last decade and a half. We may not get that chance if Mrs. Clinton gets her coronation.
Speaking for myself, I'm pretty hacked off that our choices for the highest office in the nation have come down to caricatures...I suppose if I have to choose between a Northeastern Bolshevik, a career white collar criminal, an idealist who can't win, and the reality television star...the television star sounds more "predictable".
I think Trump isn't what he portrays-His advisers, or he himself, have decided that the American voter is a low-IQ, vengeful, easily manipulated higher primate, and are proceeding accordingly. Sanders is banking on the majority of voting Americans being young, over "educated", whiners, willing to eat the "Soylent Green"-so long as it is guaranteed. Clinton is expecting the "good old boy/girl network" to secure her the nomination-and for the democratic voters to go her way just on principle. Cruz-God love him-is trying to wear shoes a few sizes too big.
It's going to be Trump vs. Clinton-Why? Because Hillary "bought" her spot at the table (or Bill did), and if she did go up before the Green Table-a lot of heads would roll. The Republicans know that contesting the convention will kill off the party for at least a decade-if not longer-and are going to be forced to bring out the trick pony in the end.
Trump might actually win...though he needs to quickly realize it won't be because everyone buying his snake oil loves the product.
Unless Beck,or those like him, can convert every single potential Trump voter to a Cruz voter...its time for Republicans to start getting behind Trump and start thinking about 2020-and whether a true leader can be found among the panoply of generals whose careers ended because they had to spine to tell Mr. Obama (or Mr. Bush) the truth about what's been going on for the last decade and a half. We may not get that chance if Mrs. Clinton gets her coronation.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
Liked your rant....but you buried the bottom line. Your last paragraph should have been up front. It is the meat of the issue.
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