Posted on Jan 28, 2016
The Pentagon just cut the Navy and Marines' maternity leave by 6 weeks
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I was surprised to learn that the Army and Air Force had one policy while the Navy and Marines had another. You would think it would be the same across DOD.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
The Air Force was getting read to expand their policy to match the Navy/USMC. SecNav had instituted the new policy last year. Previous to that there was a "singular" policy. If the USAF had matched the USN/USMC, it would ave "forced" the Army to follow suit.
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"The Defense Department is set to announce it will allow new moms 12 weeks of maternity leave as part of its Force of the Future initiative, a doubling of the Army and Air Force policy of six weeks but cutting what's now allowed for sailors and Marines"....why? " "Boost retention force-wide, especially among women"... I don't think this will be seen as a reup option. To use it in that matter makes it seem that it's an award or privilege vs. a right. I could've read it wrong, but it doesn't seem clear to me.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Let's look at Force Structure for a moment. 400~K Army, 300~K Air Force, 300~K Navy, 200~K Marines. 15% Women (Average), 7% in Marines, 20%~ Air Force.
Overall this will be a HUGE net gain in Maternity leave (and Paternity Permissive TAD). In reality the number of Marines affected will be Null (we just don't have a lot). The Sailors will be more, but that will average out with USAF. The Army's gain will significantly overshadow any loss. That's just from a raw numbers perspective.
Now, this sounds cold (it's me remember, analytical guy). If we make the assumption that each Service Member that takes advantage of this will have 1.5 children over an 8~ year period, that means a loss of 6~ months per child + 18 weeks (down to 12 weeks now). So that's 9 months + 4.5 Months or 1.25 years out of 8 years. This will likely occur during the 20-30 year age bracket or junior enlisted/officer years, so we lose an additional 2 years~ of training time. We're getting close to that 1/3 of MSO time and coming close to 1/2 or even 4 year mark.
We must start looking at this as "Incentive" concept, if only because of retention issues. Cost of training a Warfighter is significant. Although Pregnancy and Family Planning is a NATURAL part of life, the "Needs of the Force" must be weighed against the "Needs of the Service Member." As you said "makes it seem that it's an award of privilege vs a right." But more specifically it is a "benefit" which must be tracked, just like Housing, Clothing, Medical, etc.
Overall this will be a HUGE net gain in Maternity leave (and Paternity Permissive TAD). In reality the number of Marines affected will be Null (we just don't have a lot). The Sailors will be more, but that will average out with USAF. The Army's gain will significantly overshadow any loss. That's just from a raw numbers perspective.
Now, this sounds cold (it's me remember, analytical guy). If we make the assumption that each Service Member that takes advantage of this will have 1.5 children over an 8~ year period, that means a loss of 6~ months per child + 18 weeks (down to 12 weeks now). So that's 9 months + 4.5 Months or 1.25 years out of 8 years. This will likely occur during the 20-30 year age bracket or junior enlisted/officer years, so we lose an additional 2 years~ of training time. We're getting close to that 1/3 of MSO time and coming close to 1/2 or even 4 year mark.
We must start looking at this as "Incentive" concept, if only because of retention issues. Cost of training a Warfighter is significant. Although Pregnancy and Family Planning is a NATURAL part of life, the "Needs of the Force" must be weighed against the "Needs of the Service Member." As you said "makes it seem that it's an award of privilege vs a right." But more specifically it is a "benefit" which must be tracked, just like Housing, Clothing, Medical, etc.
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SSG Warren Swan
Your third paragraph isn't cold by any means. I could see it happening the way you break it down in fact. I'd like to see the data on this as it goes on, but as it's moving on, I'll probably care less and less being the force I knew isn't solid like it used to be. Everything in every branch is more fluid and the dynamics are changing at a rate I've never seen before.
Your fourth paragraph is interesting for the commands. What are they going to do to implement this? What about religions where large families are the norm? Your third and fourth paragraphs come into play big time. They cannot make a policy that goes against the "spirit" of the law, but they can "tighten" it. This would be interesting when the metrics are finally shown in regards to this.
Your fourth paragraph is interesting for the commands. What are they going to do to implement this? What about religions where large families are the norm? Your third and fourth paragraphs come into play big time. They cannot make a policy that goes against the "spirit" of the law, but they can "tighten" it. This would be interesting when the metrics are finally shown in regards to this.
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We have a nation to defend and need people to do it in an ever shrinking force. Welcome to reality.
Carter's comments are sad but a sign of the times. "I concluded that twelve weeks of maternity leave across all of the force establishes the right balance between offering a highly competitive leave policy while also maintaining the readiness of our total force,". As thought the US Armed Forces is a private corporation competing for employees in the tech industry or something. Service is supposed to be that, service, not a benefits accumulation program.
Carter's comments are sad but a sign of the times. "I concluded that twelve weeks of maternity leave across all of the force establishes the right balance between offering a highly competitive leave policy while also maintaining the readiness of our total force,". As thought the US Armed Forces is a private corporation competing for employees in the tech industry or something. Service is supposed to be that, service, not a benefits accumulation program.
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Cpl Jeff N.
The services are competing for employees against the tech industry and other parts of the economy. And the competition increases as the unemployment rate drops.
The services are competing for employees against the tech industry and other parts of the economy. And the competition increases as the unemployment rate drops.
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Cpl Jeff N.
The current maternity leave program is far better than most employers in the private sector offer. Most that join the military would do so out of a desire to serve their country not amass benefits and job skills (although some of that might happen in the course of events). The concept of service to country is being lost in the pursuit of benefits and compensation for the individual.
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Cpl Jeff N.
TSgt Brian A. It is interesting you would look at it that way. Anyone joining the Armed Forces (voluntarily) should know/expect to be deployed at some point and perhaps many times over an enlistment/career. So no one makes them, they sign up for it. That goes with the territory. You act as though a deployment in the military would be unexpected or a hardship. It is part of the job in many cases.
If you go to work at a job in the private sector that has a large travel component, guess what, you could be traveling weekly. Mother or not, you have to go if you want the job.
If you go to work at a job in the private sector that has a large travel component, guess what, you could be traveling weekly. Mother or not, you have to go if you want the job.
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